I Thank God I never encounter this… I am a Married Christian man yet I am weak…
This seriously would break me….
God knows our weaknesses.
1 Corinthians 10:13King James Version (KJV)
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
King James Version (KJV)
Read more… Thorns in the Flesh.
Today I want to make my rebuttal of a friends defense for Larkin Rose’s expressed position on God/ Deism.
Larken Rose Recognizes the fingerprint of Intelligence within the incredible design of living things yet appears ambivalent towards any further thought or discussion about the ramifications of this Revelation.
He reminds me of the late A Flew… the once High priest of Atheism who in the face of the discoveries of Modern science esp the complexity of living things abandoned his Atheism for belief in Intelligent design… yet never made the full traverse to Bible believing Faith in THE LORD.
Flew was an honest thinker yet ran out of Time…whereas Larken Rose still has time to discover the truth… yet his attitude appears to me to be that of a Man who does not really want to go down that road…and I question his motives.
I argue why Deism may once have been forgivable/ understandable in the distant past, yet is inexcusable today, and that now Reason and Logic are on the side of the Theist.
While both entail the belief in a Creator God, what distinguishes Deism from Theism is that Deism rejects Divine interventions in the affairs of Men… No Miracles to circumvent the laws of Nature… and esp No Divine special Revelations to mankind.
It will be necessary for me to skip over large portions of history and related material for the sake of brevity such as the Deism of the 18th century.
(I will have to do a separate Blog post on these important aspects of this topic at some later date, and insert a link to it here)
Watch Larken Rose Here…
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Ten or more years ago I was asked to debate Hamilton based Atheists for the existence of the Christian God.
One of my opponents was Garry Mallett from Act.
Now The only reason I have mentioned this debate is because the 2nd part of my argument was the logical assumption that *If there is in fact a God (in the Full context of the word) and that he made us human beings…as Rational, conscious beings… that it would be a reasonable assumption to think that surely he would communicate with us some how… who he is… why he made us…etc rather than just leaving us Ignorant about such things.
That was my premise for why it is rational to at least consider the possibility that the Bible’s claim to be the Divine Revelation from the Creator of the Universe to be a plausible possibility at least… and that the honest thinking person having first concluded that the Universe and Living things are best understood as the products of intelligent design… that following upon that, that The Bible answers the questions that naturally flow on…. The *Who* is this Great designer of the Universe… and what message does he have for us… his Conscious Rational Moral Free Agent Creations… and most importantly… that such a Revelation is precisely what the rational mind would expect from the God who is there… rather than silence.
This is an argument that places Theism as superior to mere Deism and in fact renders belief in Deism today to be a cop out…poor reasoning at best… mostly willful ignorance.
Deism and Theism both draw upon what has been described as ‘Natural religion’… Ideas about God derived from looking at Nature… looking at what has been described as ‘The Book of God’s works’.
Yet Theism makes an additional claim that we have a second Book that we may also gain direct and infallible knowledge about God.. The Book of his actual words.
Deism/ Natural Religion is great up to certain point, yet severely limited as it can never tell us Human beings *who God is*… only that he is there… and that he is super intelligent and super powerful, and that there is some sort of Objective moral law which We Human beings ought to at least try and live by… that gives our Moral sence some legitimate foundation and purpose… rather than simply being some sort of illusion… mere sentiment… mere feelings.
An Idea such as ‘Kharma’, or ‘Reaping what you sow’… These are the sorts of ideas human beings have arrived at via contemplating nature… ‘Do unto others as you would have done unto you’ … ‘Be Good’… we know that’Theft is evil’…because we hate it when someone steals from us… so dont steal from others… yet still none of this has anything higher than our own opinion to rest upon… or the opinion of ‘wise others’… and is therefore not impervious to arguments of evil men that assert that all such moralizations are vacuous.
Dark minds may posit the question… Maybe the Deity is Malevolent?
Do not Floods and Earthquakes signal that our creator is far from a caring God! ????
Is the only Moral Rule …contrary to what the wowzers would have us believe…that the Strong may subject the weak?
Are they trying to subject the strong to whiles of the weak?
What the heck is really going on?
Deism cant definitively answer this… yet it gives those whom cling to it a certain self-justification for not being Nihilistic… for claiming they are Moral and good. (something that is necessary because of what the bible describes as our innate knowledge/ consciousness of Good and evil)
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:…”
St Paul. Romans 1:20.
Yet Deism says *Nobody can claim to really know*.
Now I love many of the Great heathen thinkers of classical times, whom both believed a God exists, and that Humanity should be moral, and because of the times and places in which *they lived* I accept that they really had taken ‘Natural religion’ to its highest forms and that they had no ‘Rungs upon which they could possibly ascend higher and closer to God’, and that they were Good, wise, Moral men…In the context of how good any man might be under such circumstances. (Separated/ aliens from Israel, mostly living before the advent of Christ)
It is at this plateau that many of the Great Heathen moral thinkers had arrived.
The Stoic Marcus Aurelius is supposed to have said…
Though Aurelius lived post-Christ and had ‘herd’ about the Christians and held negative opinions about them, I am not sure to what degree he had any real first hand communications with them, or any familiarity with the Old testament/ Book of Genesis, thus I tend to consider his situation as very similar to that of the *Pre-Christ* Gentile thinkers… Aliens from the Divine revelation.
He was a very interesting thinker…God will judge him.
Here is an interesting link to this Topic
Now As a Christian Theist who believes the Bible, I know there are Mountains of the most vital truths missing from this Natural/Deistic Faith position because I have the Divine Revelation… The Holy inspired and preserved words of God Almighty himself esp the Facts That Humanity is under a curse because of our Sin, and that our Sin separates us from God and puts us in danger of His Judgement and Damnation.
*It is possible*… because it is so obvious… without the aid of scripture to apprehend by the power of reason alone Humanities fallen/ sinful condition… our wickedness… our depravity… our Cruelty…. and perhaps from this a rationale may be conceived of the need to somehow appease the anger of the God(s)… for justice sake… all sorts of weird Ideas have been proposed… *Yet via reason it would be impossible to conceive of the doctrine of Christs virgin birth, and substitutional atonement for our sins, and resurrection*…from nature alone.
Indeed many Naturally minded people find these Doctrines repugnant… which leads to my main contentions for this blog about Deists living today in western civilization… and their willful ignorance/ rejection of the Divine Revelation… the Bible in which all these doctrines are laid out in the most Logical fashion from the very beginning in Genesis.
As I have said Deism is severely handicapped to what degree it can reveal the nature of God to us… limited in its certainty of moral precepts, etc, none the less *Today*…far from these limits as being considered by trendy thinkers as pitfalls… these people actually *enjoy* them!
Most of these are people *Today* … follow a trend that became fashionable from the end of the Great reformation who… for various reasons…good or bad… *hate organised religion* (which tends to be where Theistic claims of having ‘Divine revelation’ are most prevalent) … they also enjoy what they see as ‘the Freedom to do as they please… the only moral restraints being their own conscience… and esp that Deism can make no emphatic claims of Divine Judgement for moral failures… it cant even emphatically state the validity of any Human Judgement derived from Nature.
They will say that ‘Reason’ is the only Authority they will subject themselves to, and as they have reached to limits of Reason… they cannot be subject to any higher Moral authority or law.
Philosophers love to quote Hume … “you cant get an ‘Ought from an Is”.
Its Funny though that ordinary people seem to be able to do just that without much trouble appealing to sentiment… they are not moved by arguments that say we can have no confidence in these… in fact to my thinking …the rational approach to this mystery of consciousness to the ideas of Good and evil is not to say ‘We cant ever know’… but instead to set out *in faith* on a Pilgrimage to discover some means by which our sentiments can find Objective validation… It is a quest of discovery for the Divine revelation from the Intelligent Creator whose existence is testified to by his Natural handiwork.
And It is an Irony that in a work by the great skeptic himself David Hume called ‘Dialogues concerning Natural religion’ in which there is a debate about the existence of God, in which Hume deploys his skeptical arguments in the person of ‘Philo’, yet stunningly… in the final analysis his Book ends by giving the victory to the Theist ‘Cleanthes’!
My contention at the Debate was that not only did the Deity Communicate his existence and expectations of Humanity via Prophets and the written word… He intervened into Human affairs in the Most personal manor…. He visited us… and Walked among us… God was manifest in the flesh.
“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:…”
Now when you add up all the components I have briefly discussed above you ought to be able to grasp why it is that I myself am a Theist… a Bible believer… That the fact that we westerners have easy access to the King James Bible and the book of Genesis therein, that willfully seeking to remain ignorant of the Divine revelation is inexcusable… and why it is that I have a pet dislike for modern Deism… esp its corruption/heresy of what I call Christian Deism which I see as a pathetic retreat from true Christian Theistic faith…caused by a weakness in faith and Bad reasoning… in the face of Atheist sophistry. (Topic for another Post)
I actually struggle to contain my contempt!
I need to take 5… and chill… and remember that it is only by Gods grace that I myself am a Christian at all.
I need to remember *How alien* I once was… How utterly incapable of apprehending the existence of God let alone the truthfulness of the Bible!
It is with all this in mind that I decided to keep calm and write this post..
Recently A friend of mine tried to justify the Deism of one of his Favorite thinkers Larkin Rose, which I had critisised as being pathetic… because he refused to make the most basic inference that Intelligent design demands *GOD* and that from this obvious conclusion… if he was an honest thinker… would demand he then begin a personal pilgrimage to discover *Who* this Grand designer is.
My friend began to repair to the arguments *of Classical Deism* and the limits that Logic faced in that direction… as if that excuse… which of course appears quite valid when looking back to heathen lands… and times before Christ… aliens to the Divine Revelation, Yet This blogpost is my express rebuttal to that argument when applied to modern thinkers like Larkin.
It is invalid for Thinkers today to simply rest on that ancient Plateau… because they live post Christ and have access to the Bible and history.
This makes them fully culpable for rejecting Jesus Christ.
Socrates on the other hand was not privy to the Bible… and I even conjecture that he would have become a Christian had he been given the opportunity… so many of his conclusions about Divine things being in perfect harmony with the scriptures… that he never had opportunity to read.
I say that If Socrates would have considered the Gargantuan explanatory power for the first chapters in the book of Genesis…plus all the rest… the Biblical explanation for the existence of Evil…The explanation of why God has separated himself from mankind… why we die… why there are Natural disasters, etc etc that it is very possible that he would have realised that this divine revelation gives a great logical basis for Biblical theistic faith when one applies it to the world about him.
That in fact the Bible *Is the Revelation* of the Intelligent designer of everything…his message to us his creatures… esp telling us *Who he is*… and what is *Really* going on.
So I question why it is that though Larken Rose sees through the delusion of atheistic evolution, he still is apathetic towards discovering *Who God is* and challenge him to Read the King James Bible… to really contemplate it’s message… and that in doing so he would no longer be in a position to argue that Logic ends at the plateau of Natural religion.
The Bible is a logical extension from the Plateau at the top of the Mountain… upwards out of the stratosphere all the way… a direct line of communication to the Deity… a logical vindication of Bible believing christian Theism.
Of course Satan and his minions have been attacking the Bible, and via sophistry undermining faith in its veracity as The Bible is the Ultimate Fortress of God for the believer. It is the Ultimate Lighthouse in the storm of life Shining its beams upon the treacherous Rocks of peril, and a Guide of Safe passage… salvation to every soul who sees its light and navigates into the Harbour of God’s love and Grace.
Satan is the enemy Of God and Men’s souls…The Father of Lies… it was by cunning craftiness that he was able to deceive Eve, and get her to disbelieve Gods word and to Eat of the forbidden fruit, and he has been at this game the whole time… Deceiving… yet the word of God remains like a Rock
Happy Resurrection Day!
Tim Wikiriwhi.
Protestant, 1611 King James Bible believer, Dispensationalist, Christian Libertarian.
The last paragraphs of Humes Dialouges concerning Natural religion…
If the whole of Natural Theology, as some people seem to maintain, resolves itself into one simple, though somewhat ambiguous, at least undefined proposition, That the cause or causes of order in the universe probably bear some remote analogy to human intelligence: If this proposition be not capable of extension, variation, or more particular explication: If it affords no inference that affects human life, or can be the source of any action or forbearance: And if the analogy, imperfect as it is, can be carried no farther than to the human intelligence; and cannot be transferred, with any appearance of probability, to the other qualities of the mind: If this really be the case, what can the most inquisitive, contemplative, and religious man do more than give a plain, philosophical assent to the proposition, as often as it occurs; and believe that the arguments, on which it is established, exceed the objections, which lie against it? Some astonishment indeed will naturally arise from the greatness of the object: Some melancholy from its obscurity: Some contempt of human reason, that it can give no solution more satisfactory with regard to so extraordinary and magnificent a question. But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural sentiment, which a well-disposed mind will feel on this occasion, is a longing desire and expectation, that heaven would be pleased to dissipate, at least alleviate this profound ignorance, by affording some more particular revelation to mankind, and making discoveries of the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith. A person, seasoned with a just sense of the imperfections of natural reason, will fly to revealed truth with the greatest avidity: While the haughty Dogmatist, persuaded, that he can erect a complete system of Theology by the mere help of philosophy,
KS 228
disdains any farther aid, and rejects this adventitious instructor. To be a philosophical Sceptic is, in a man of letters, the first and most essential step towards being a sound, believing Christian; a proposition, which I would willingly recommend to the attention of Pamphilus: And I hope Cleanthes will forgive me for interposing so far in the education and instruction of his pupil.
D 12.34
Cleanthes and Philo pursued not this conversation much farther; and as nothing ever made greater impression on me, than all the reasonings of that day; so, I confess, that, upon a serious review of the whole, I cannot but think, that Philo’s principles are more probable than Demea’s; but that those of Cleanthes approach still nearer to the truth.
Read the whole Dialogue here (It is fabulous! 🙂 )
More from Tim…. The Rock of Divine Revelation.
Death of an Atheist. Follow the evidence.
Rapturous Amazement! The Advance of Science Converts The High Priest of Atheism to Deism. A Flew.
How can a Good God exist when there is so much evil in the world? (part1) Atheist Nihilism.
Christ’s work of Salvation on the Cross… The Great Equaliser.
^Feminazi Neo-liberal wet dream!
They have weaponised the next generation of Man haters.
Recently I was reading Green Party Mp Jan Logie post (here) about Sex education and teaching children about the principle of Consent.
This is of course part of the Current Neo-feminist drive that accuses Men and Boys of being entrenched in what these feminists have labeled a ‘Rape culture’… and just about *Any normal Male attitude* has been systematically derided as a ‘Rape mentality’ and Needs to be Socially engineered out of them… Its all symptomatic of ‘white male privilege and patriarchy’ … they say.
Want to hang a Calendar up in your workshop of Bikini clad Models astride a Chrome plated chopper?
Thats Rape culture.
Want to whistle at a Beautiful girl, dressed in a short skirt walking down the street?
Thats no longer healthy Male-ness… but rape culture.
A Guy gets drunk at a night club… meets a Sexy Babe who is dressed to kill… they dance and drink.. and make out… then go back to his house and have Sex…. you guessed it… He’s a rapist!
It matters not that maybe the guy was more drunk than the girl… and that maybe she was not so hot after all, and that she may have taken advantage of his beer goggles… no… shes not a rapist.
Just like the Libtard doctrines on racism… This stuff only works one way!
And there is zero mention of Adult self-responsibility… ever.
The glaring truth about all this …and more… is that Liberal Lefties in Parliament (Like Jan Logie) are the least competent people to be teaching *anyone* about the principle of Consent!
They themselves dont have a clue about the distinctions between what is a right and what constitutes force!
On this Topic they are absolute hypocrites as their entire political philosophy is based upon circumventing the voluntary consent of the entire population and imposing themselves and their nut bar political agenda upon us *By force*!
Their favorite word is *compulsory*.
If anything they have a ‘Rape Culture’ running rampant in parliament!
I have been contemplating writing a blog on this subject, yet have had other things on my mind… yet something landed in my News feed tonight that has driven me to type this blog post… it is something that perfectly demonstrates just how incompetent, and unfit to govern our nation these Whackos really are.. and how absurd it is that they could pretend to be able to school *anyone* on the principle of Consent.
The Headline…. “Former Prime Minister Geoffrey Palmer calls for compulsory voting, says democracy “in crisis”…”
Go here
Now Palmer is a Liberal and public menace of the first order!
He wrote the disastrous RMA that is… simply put… one gigantic violation of Private property rights, and via massive bureaucracy has hog tied development and progress.
It has also been a source of Race-based extortion… a factor that has just been super boosted in the last few days by the treasonous activities of the National Party in cahoots with the Racist Maori Party.
Palmer is a Criminal on a scale that makes the Mongrel mob look like rank amateurs! … The term Criminal not simply referring to someone who breaks the law… but more accurately the term refers to a person who violates the rights and liberties of any other individual or group… and he has done so on a grand scale… yet he has never seen the inside of a jail cell because all his crimes (like all the crimes committed by Politicians in parliament against the people) have been committed under the colour of the Law.
Our Brain Dead State schooled Press refers to him as an ‘expert on constitutional law’ when in reality he is a complete ignoramus!
Worse… he is a Political scoundrel as proven by his latest claims *That Voting ought to be compulsory!*
There you have it!
*He treats the Voluntary choice and Freedom… ie *The consent* of the citizens of New Zealand with absolute contempt!
He is the last person whom New Zealand should listen to with regards to the constitution of our country!
And he demonstrates why Socialist liberals cannot Teach our youth about the principle of Consent!
Liberals Despise the principle of consent and all their political activities hang on the principle of Cohesion!
They are Political Rapists!
My last Blogpost (here) was about the hopeless choices that New Zealanders face this election, and the diabolical activities of the National/ Maori party coalition unrestrained by an ironclad Constitution.
We are between a rock and a hard place to the degree that many people will conciser *Not voting for any of the shysters* the moral thing to do!
Yet Palmer treats these Good thoughtful people with utter contempt and seeks to *force them to vote* against their will!
Palmer seeks to compel unwilling Kiwis to vote even if they dont have a clue about the policies of the people and parties on the ballet… or they may know whats on the table very well … yet Dislike *all* the candidates and all the parties… these two reasons being to my mind the main reasons why people dont vote… and they have the personal sovereign right Not to do so!
Yet By Palmers conception of Government… the people dont have any rights other than what people like him in parliament bequeath.
Ie by *his political Ideology* The Government is the master, and we are rendered.. not citizens… but subjects.
In reality the principle of consent is one of the most important political principles of them all… as the American declaration of Independence states… that Just government is founded upon *the consent* of the Governed… yet it also states that Our Rights are Inalienable… Equal… and that We the people form government to be our servant… ie to secure our rights that we already have!
Our Rights precede government and are not subject to Governments whims!
Our Rights come from God himself!
Not governments, and are inalienable.
And when government looses its way and becomes detrimental to our Rights and liberties… we the people have the right to abolish it and found New Government that will respect and secure our rights and leave us free to pursue our own happiness.
Palmer thinks that in our post-christian era that God is dead… and so are our inalienable rights! and so government is now ‘God’ and has the authority to force you to consent to be governed!!!!
Thanks Atheism!
New Zealand is in dire need of a political enlightenment and revolution that enshrines a constitution that abolishes all the PC discrimination, and all the prohibitions of the liberals we currently suffer and prevents socialist whackos like Palmer from imposing any more of their Anti-consent Compulsions!
Yet of course these socialist want to steer any conversations about a new constitution in such a way that instead of making their compulsions illegal… null and void… they want a constitution that pseudo-legitimises all their Politically correct tyrannies… all their Insane liberalism.. all their meddlesome regulations that interfere with trade, and attempt to micro manage our lives…attempt to entrench Treaty separatism… and brain wash our children!
This is exactly What the National/Act/ Maori party coalition tried a few years back (2013) yet New Zealanders responded with a resounding *NO!* to their proposals.
My submission to their constitutional review is here
So here we have it.
Liberal Politicians hell bent on destroying the traditional values upon which this country is founded, and replacing the traditional Roles and stereo types of Manly men and feminine Woman with Emasculated effeminate Men and Brutal and Bossy woman!
Sexy Woman are the enemy because they pander to the Patriarchal stereotype of woman as men’s play things… Boys are to be taught they must like Overweight Bossy bitches and even be happy to have sex with transgenders… or else be deemed to be ‘misogynists’ and ‘transphobic’… etc etc.
These Sicko Liberals are waging a war on Men, and have our Boys in their sights… to utterly brain wash them into accepting all the Liberal Garbage!
The Liberals are also hell bent on making Christian values and beliefs virtually illegal!
And that in itself tells you what spirit is behind their determination to force their beliefs upon everyone via the Law!
Read a blog I wrote on that stuff here.
Finally therefore I must end this post with a defense for men, and boys… and everyone with common sence who has had enough of all this Social Justice warrior Crap!
to stand up against the liberal tide and tell them to Bugger off!
Do you hold to what was commonly known as the traditional conservative Christian western values of freedom, self reliance, and self-responsibility?
Then its time to step up!
Look at the sorts of Rubbish that is being systematically hammered down upon Males in this Post-Christain liberal era!
At face value the above meme looks like good advise… men ought to respect woman… esp in matters of sexual consent yet the fact is
Men are getting absolutely Hammered about how they should treat woman as if that is some sort of secret they are ignorant about when the reality the opposite is far more prevelent!
Militant Feminism and politically correct madness about ‘gender equality’ has actually poisoned the minds of woman!
*It is Woman and girls who need to be schooled in how they ought to respect *Men*!
Look at the following video that is going viral on the net… it is a 100% hit job on Men as endemic Rapists… sex offenders…
This is the sort of crap that is supposed to educate boys about consent, when in fact it is pure Neo-feminist man hating propaganda
It is actually a testament to how little respect Feminists have for men and boys… (no surprises there!), yet why would our society allow these men haters to peddle their toxic ideas in our schools and in the laws of our land?
Parents need to defend their sons from this Sexist evil that has grown up against them!
Parents need to do their daughters the service of teaching them to respect Boys… respect their Partners!
Only that way will their daughters be able to have successful relationships.
If you teach your daughters that they are little princesses and that a man must be a virtual slave to everything they desire, you are setting up your daughters to fail… and to suffer miserably from having insane expectations from their partners… and absolutely no respect for them *as men*.
Balance needs to be restored!
True equality needs to be taught… not one eyed Feminist sexism!
And a Love of Liberty and Self responsibility… and mutual respect between boys and girls.
P.S If you are going to vote be sure to vote out anyone who endorses Palmer’s calls to pass laws that force you to consent to be governed!
Vote for more freedom…Less Rapist Government!
Tim Wikiriwhi.
Christian Libertarian.
More from Tim…
The War is over…Neo-Feminism is a Joke.
Feminism, Lisa Lewis, and the death of romance.
Heart Ripped out. This ones for all the Dying Dads … and the Survivors.
Police Sexist bias exposed by failure to prosecute Lefty Dildo thrower.
Nick Smith: Author of the New Racist RMA Legislation.
Time to grow a pair David Seymour! or you will cement a legacy as being just another Lap Dog of the National Party…like Rodney Hyde.
With the Passing into Law of The National party/Maori party RMA ‘Reforms’ we have witnessed again Nationals capacity for treachery… for Dealing with the Devil for the sake of Power at any price.
Read : RMA reforms pass into law with support from Maori Party
To my disgust Acts David Seymour has not spoken out with sufficient vehemence against this legislation but has growled with the ferocity of a damp flannel.
The man has no spine and his priority is to walk the safe low road to maintain his cozy relationship under Nationals wing.
He obviously puts more weight on his own political Career than on the well being of our Nation.
Some may wonder why my chief criticisms are leveled at David Seymour rather than at Nick Smith and PM Bill English… it is because these clowns are not being two faced… they are doing exactly what we have come to expect from the National party… yet David Seymour pretends to be a ‘Classical Liberal’ fighting to restrain Nationals Machiavellianism … when in reality he is just their little whore.
Times of Crisis prove the mettle of a persons character and integrity… Davids lame efforts on this account has shown himself to be absolutely spineless!
Act under Seymour are a Joke… a continuing joke that started with Rodney Hyde.
The only truly great Leader this party has had was Don Brash!
An ardent advocate of Racial equality before the Law, and of Cannabis Law reform… Two of the most essential justice issues facing our country from which we could expect massive improvements in social justice… Yet David has dropped the ball on both counts.
Jamie Whyte should have been a great leader too yet sold out on principle for misguided pragmatism… and it cost him not only his personal reputation… but also the election.
Both Whyte and Seymour lost the moral high ground to the Left when they avoided making Cannabis law reform an imperative for Act, and they missed the massive voter support base that is in a state of limbo because no *Non-Left* party is willing to make such Law reform a priority!
Read about that here
All the Polls prove this policy will be a massive coup at election time.
What claims can Act now have to represent classical Liberalism under Seymour?
Zero!
David Seymour ought to be leading the fight to end treaty separatism yet He was absolutely Out-classed by the Old Dog Winston Peters!
Seymours pussyfooting (and the silence of every National party MP) has allowed National’s diabolical sell out the the Maori party to pass into law.
Watch Winston Peters valiant protest to the National/ Maori party
Now I hold Winston Peters as historically being guilty of one of the greatest sell outs to Waitangi apartheid in New Zealand political history when he accepted the Baubles of Office from Election fraudster Helen Clark instead of making Don Brash Pm, and giving him the oppotunity to get rid of the Maori seats in parliament and begin the dismantling of the Waitangi apartheid state. (Read about this here).
This betrayal was on such a magnitude that pales David Seymour’s sicophantism by comparison, yet Today the populist and whiley Winston Peters is capitalising on the Short memories of the NZ sheeple and has re-caste himself as the new Don Brash.. as his speech in the house in opposition to the RMA changes testifies.
Is this just another shameful Peters opportunism?
I think his speech deserves more currency than that.
I found it convincing.
When you start thinking that Winston Peters makes more sence than anyone else in Parliament you know you are in deep deep Trouble.
Compare that speech to any protest from Acts David Seymour!
He has said nothing!… he’s just Nationals Little Bitch!… absolutely hopeless….
Read about Seymour’s token protests here… New Zealand First leader Winston Peters and ACT’s David Seymour have both attacked the government over the way it’s handled the Resource Management Bill.
It is times like these that drives despondent individuals into the clutches of Anarchism… yet something needs to be done to punish National… and Act!
To teach them where such shameful politics gets them.
What are the alternatives?
Surely *No Sane and intelligent person* could vote for Andrew Little’s Labour party…. No… never, and I struggle to think any Sane person could vote for Winston Peters…. yet that is how insane the NZ Political scene has become!
The conservatives are Morons.
Gareth Morgan is a Megalomaniac just waiting to become Dictator.
No need to even discuss the Greens, Mana, or the Maori parties…
That Leaves 1law4all, and Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis parties…
1law4all has good intentions on this one policy yet they are Naive and no better on other fronts than Winston Peters whom is also claiming now to stand for 1law4all.
1law4all wants to maintain all the other Nanny statisms and taxes just as Winston does yet have far less chance of playing a significant roll in ending Waitangi apartheid than the seasoned professional politician Winston Peters… between these two options its a matter of whether or not Peters can be trusted (and that is a significant question).
ALCP stands firm on their single principle… and I commend them for that… yet again they are not the friends of Liberty on any other issue… they are mostly Pro Nanny state.
So for me it is now a case of choosing between putting my vote for the principle of one law for all (Peters), or the Legalisation of Cannabis… and when you place these two in the scales… both vitally important matters of justice… the scales get tipped in favour of Peters simply because he has more chance of repealing these insane RMA clauses than ALCP has of getting Cannabis reform.
The New RMA clauses represent a new threat… whereas cannabis Law reform has been an ongoing fight… that will remain an ongoing fight here in New Zealand as a petty Nation of small minds that is dragging its heals on this issue that other western nations are now committed to change.
A National Party led by Bill English will never legalize cannabis.
Of course the greatest Political party New Zealand has ever known no longer exists…. The Righteous Libertarianz party!
After struggling for traction for nearly two decades It became too hard to maintain the small amount of momentum they had gained despite our greatest efforts.
Is it possible to resurrect the Libertarianz Party in a Glorified body… like a Phoenix from the flames?
New Zealand is in desperate need of a Party of resolute principle committed to enshrining a new constitution to guarantee the inalienable rights and liberties of Individuals are respected by Government… Equality before the law… and so rendering any and all attempts by Parliament to impose unjust laws and Party political agendas upon us *Illegal and Null and void*.
Currently any thoughts of such a wonderful Re-birth are merely a pipe dream… a hysterical joke.
Read about my submission to the Governments constitutional review here.
Will David Seymour and Act finally wake up to their own folly regarding their failed attempts at pragmatic expedience over principles that has rendered them merely the door mat of National?
Will they grow a spine… and cut away the apron strings that secure them fast to the National party… and finally begin to stand on their own two feet… as truly an independent party committed to classical liberal values *In fact* rather than mere lip service?
I’ll believe that the day I hear David Seymour grows a pair and declares that Act will not only fight tooth and nail for racial equality before the Law, but also for the legalization of cannabis… which is a matter of urgency and Justice… and marks a fundamental point of Personal freedom.
Hell will probably freeze over first!
The truth is they have never given a rats arse about personal freedom, but have always only been a vested interest for crony capitalists whose only desire to keep the left from imposing regulations that will affect their profit margins.
And this obvious fakery of being ‘Classical Liberals’ when in fact they are ‘fascists’ (look up what that term really means) has been the chief reason Act has failed to garner the freedom lovers vote.
This sell out strategy never worked for Jamie white, and it doesn’t work now!
Message to David Seymour!
Wake up!
Have a discussion with your old comrades Jamie Whyte and Don Brash!
So this leaves me squirming in a fettered pond… between a rock and a hard place with regards to which political actors in the New Zealand Tragedy to give my vote (If any… or simply not to vote at all…. come what may?)
I sympathize with Readers who like myself recoil at giving support to Winston Peters given his long history of dubious dealings, yet I see a dire need for Outraged New Zealanders to Punish National for their treasonous activities in collaboration with the Maori Party.
I cannot believe things have become so acute that I would ever contemplate that it could possibly be in New Zealand best interests to support a Winston Peters/ Labour party Coalition!
The Horror of even writing such a sentence… let alone having to endure such a Government chills me to the bone… yet what are the alternatives?
If Peters could negotiate with Labour, to shut the Greens out, and the repeal of these Evil RMA and get a commitment to Roll back apartheid in general, this would be *Justice* upon the absolute *Sell outs* in the National party… and seriously how much worse could such a Labour led coalition Be compared to what we have now?
So a vote for Peters under such conditions would not be the same thing as a direct sanction for Littles Labour… but for a Labour led government with NZ First Racial equality Reforms.
Is this seriously the depths to where our Nations political scene has stooped?
These are my current moral dilemmas…. I will now sign off and go and Vomit…. hopefully that will give me a temporary relief to the nausea in my stomach and the spinning in my head.
It is at times like this I can sympathize with why so many people have abandoned all political contemplation as Voodoo… as shysterism… and instead play chess… Watch sport… or go get high by the beach!
I think I have reached a personal conclusion… that I must again stand for parliament in Hamilton West to give myself and the hand full of Libertarians who live in this electorate at least a Candidate of principle to vote for.
I am under no illusions of my chances for election… I am but a voice crying in the wilderness.
I have zero political weight in the scale of things… begging the question why would someone like David Seymour take advise or criticism from a nobody like me?
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I have no time, or money, or support… my stand is merely a token gesture… yet still a moral imperative.
They will have to make up their own minds which Party will get their vote… yet Peters recent stand against the ever expanding Waitangi apartheid certainly has given a vote for his party some moral weight.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
Libertarian Independent
The Verdict is in… as predicted… ‘Closing the Gaps’ Socialism has been a disaster for Maori and New Zealand as a whole.
The New Zealand Herald reported ….
“A 12-year-old girl hiding in a kindergarten after midnight was bitten by a police dog when she did not respond to an officer’s calls.
The child was one of 29 youths to have police dogs used against them in just six months, a statistic the Children’s Commissioner says is “surprising” and the Maori Party says is “completely unacceptable”.
Tactical Operations police data obtained by the Herald on Sunday shows youths made up 20 per cent of incidents where dogs were used. Of those youths, more than 60 per cent stated their ethnicity as Maori.
In general, Maori were 12 times as likely to face a dog as Pakeha.
Maori were also more likely to be hit by a baton, shot with a taser or blasted with pepper spray, the statistics showed. Overall, a person who was Maori was seven times more likely to incur the use of police force than Pakeha. Pacific Islanders were also more likely to encounter force, at a rate of 3-1.”
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Now these are absolutely socking statistics esp in light of the fact that Maori only make up approximately 15% of the population!
What the hell is going on here?
I see several factors are at play.
It may surprise some readers that though I am a Libertarian, I don’t hesitate to join chorus with my political antagonists the Maori Party in leveling heavy condemnation against the Police for their atrocious unprofessionalism with regards to their use of gratuitous violence.
There is virtually no excuse to release your attack dog on children of any race.
Wearing a badge is no excuse for such horrific behavior reminiscent of the very worst dictatorships.
Such Evil police work *must contribute to future Social troubles as their victims grow up believing (rightly) the system to be evil*…
Nanny State has corrupted the Police force by denying the principles of Individual Rights and Liberties, and the fact that the State is not our Master… but our servants.
The Police are no longer guided by the principles of Justice but have become the enforcers of Party political Agendas,
Read how Legalized force attracts Thugs and Bullies …Here.
Yet an even greater condemnation must be leveled at the Maori party themselves and their Co-conspirators in National, Labour, and the Greens all of whom have an even more fundamental culpability in these atrocious statistics than the police do.
The truth is that even after we taken due consideration of the detrimental affects of terrible policing into account… we are still left with the stark fact that the ongoing state of Maori criminality is flourishing under decades of politically manufactured conditions that were supposed to alleviate them!
In fact *The Police themselves* undoubtedly have their side of the story to tell of Rampant Juvenile delinquency and crime from Maori Youth and Adults completely out of proportion to their numerical presence.
The Police are at the Blunt end of decades of atrocious parenting by Maori, an absolutely shocking lack of teaching and mentoring of personal ethics, leading to Inter-generational criminality…. all fostered by a Multi-billion dollar failure of Political social engineering.
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In what alternate reality do academics exist in which they expect to gain positive social outcomes from teaching Maori Boys to take pride in themselves as being ‘Staunch Warriors’,yet also that they and their people are the victims of systemic Pakeha Greed and oppression?
What you get is poisoned violent and hateful minds… full of blame and a desire for UTU.
Exactly the political capital you want if your aims are to foster separatism and grievance rather than Social harmony.
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We cannot expect the Maori or Mana party to change their stripes yet I ask at what point will socialists of both National and Labour admit their social experiments on Maori dont work but actually make life much worse?
By what yardstick… if even Pragmatic experience let alone Just principles have not sufficient weight for them to realise their socialism does not improve the living standards of the underclass… but only serves to ensnare them in greater dependence … and corrodes self reliance and self responsibility like a potent Caustic?
Do they even give a damn?
I suspect the only thing they really care about is keeping hold of political power at any price!
Only via Blind stupidity and a malevolent hatred for Freedom, and capitalism can Centerist leaning socialists of both the left and right continue to peddle there failed policies and erroneous ideology.
Rampant Nanny State Socialism had been picking up momentum for many many decades before I took an interest in politics.
Yet even as a novice in things political I could see huge problems from having suffered first hand the evils of Nanny State… and intuitively began my quest for more freedom, less Government.
By 2000 I had joined the Libertarianz Party, right when Helen Clark announced Her policies for ‘Closing the Gaps’… it was what she called one of her Labour Governments ‘Flag ships’
Read here… ‘Closing the gaps: giving all New Zealanders a chance to participate.’
Prime Minister Helen Clark said today that the government’s determination to close the economic and social gaps which have developed between Mäori and Pacific people and other New Zealanders, is vividly reflected in the Budget.
“The government has identified these gaps as one of the greatest challenges facing the country,” Helen Clark said.
“Unless we start addressing this problem we will permanently consign a section of our people to the economic scrapheap, and risk a breakdown of social order and cohesion.
“No country can get ahead if a significant proportion of its citizens are left behind….” read more
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The Wahine.
It was and is a ship of fools. (Closing the Gaps)
All along My Libertarian Colleagues and my self warned of the ship wreak that inevitability lay ahead by continuing on these co ordinates… We knew it with certainty…. and we despaired for the suffering we knew must befall those vulnerable people targeted by this race based Nanny statism… yet we were painted by the Media and others as heartless because we refused to endorse welfarism, and Special treatment for Maori… yet Reality has vindicate us… we were right… and our warnings were benevolent… and those pretending to be the ‘Caring ones’… have proven to be 100% failures… and of malevolent hearts because they refuse to change course in the face of overwhelming evidence that Socialism is Bankrupt.
17 years after Helen Clark spoke about ‘Closing the gaps’ virtually all key sociological measurements show that Maori are not prospering despite all the so-called Treaty settlements, the Billion dollar Whanau Ora initiatives, the Positive descriptive legislation… all the so-called renaissance in Maori Culture…
All this Institutional racism that comes from a political class of activist Maori wracked with a sadistic Racist bigotry… and their sympathetic opposite… a faction of masochistic Pakeha in the mainstream parties that impose a collective guilt trip on the bulk of New Zealanders who are in reality guilty of nothing more than being born Non-Maori… and whom are expected to be contented with being rendered second class citizens.
The Irony is that all this political dis-advantage leveled against Pakeha is that it has tended to make them much less reliant on the State than Maori… more self-reliant… more self-responsible… and thereby far healthier… far better standards of living… far more personal success… and far less criminal… thus far less likely to suffer at the hands of a dysfunctional Police force that has lost its way… on so many levels.
The Socialist recipe of positive discrimination for Maori may have gotten them their own State TV Stations, Their own Universities and Polyteks, They may even have control of great Economic powerhouses like fisheries and Shopping malls… which of course brings wealth to tribal and political elites… Yet down where the ordinary people dwell the story is completely different.
The Victim mindset that Maori are being spoon fed by their political class from above whom profit from the growing racial segregation and grievance industry … drizzled with copious helpings of a sence of entitlement for the un-earned… topped off with the Poison Cherry of being molly coddled via legal favoritism… massive special interest bureaucracies, and easier access to Government handouts… has not closed the Gaps… but entrenched them in misery!
The truth is being taught that your lowly condition has nothing to do with your personal ethics and responsibility… and instead the system encourages Blame and makes it easier to get access to and become dependent upon welfare, etc only serves to guarantee those ordinary Maori who buy into all the rubbish about being oppressed… will never lift themselves out of the hole they are in… and where poverty and lack of the ethics of self responsibility have become a cultural norm… We can absolutely predict with mathematical precision that Criminality will thrive there.
And this is precisely what we see in the Statistics.
This is what the Statistics prove.
Maori TV is nothing more than a propaganda machine designed to keep Maori ensnared as pawns in the games being played by the vile racists and Professional griever Lobbyists whom capitalise from maintaining Racial division and tensions.
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The only way to reverse this downward spiral for Maori, and save their Children from the vicious Jaws of Police Hell hounds and Thugs in Uniforms is not merely to retrain the Police… throwing out the Unfit personality types that now infest the force…But most importantly to Reverse *all the Nanny state Socialist Laws and institutions* that must in turn be substituted with an ethos of self- reliance and responsibility on equal terms with everyone else … absolutely smashing the toxic policies of Dependence and grievance.
This is incontrovertible!
Socialism is an absolute Failure!
Worse!
Socialism is an Evil Political Scam!
Yet we can guarantee that the Socialists in Politics and the vested interest employed in their engines of State will *never admit* that their policies are harming Maori, or that Freedom and Equality before the law will provide the optimum social environment for Maori to work their own way up and out of this Socially engineered trap they have been led into.
The ultimate charade about socialism is their claim of being an Ideology for those with caring hearts!
In reality Socialism is a hotbed of Special interest of the lowest character… coming from a Malevolent hatred of personal freedom and responsibility and Capitalism.
Socialists are Crack addicted to political power and Nanny State coercion esp over the economic sphere… while maintaining a pretension of caring for the underclass.
Little wonder as Satan himself appears to the gullible as an Angel of light.
Maori are not a victim of Pakeha Greed… But of the Greed and malice of their own Political Class!
Its time to end all the racial separatism and Nannyism!
Not only for Justices sake… but for the sake of the Next Generations of Maori… and New Zealanders as whole whom suffer the effects of a Maori Crime wave, and expense of out of control welfare dependency.
If you are not moved by the facts to abandon Treaty separatism and Nanny state welfarism and coercion you can have no claim to either the moral high ground or pragmatic Humanity.
That ground clearly belongs (as it always has) to the Libertarians…the advocates of Racial Equality before the Law… and more Freedom, and less Government.
Libertraianism is a socially concerned political ideology that understands there are no political short cuts… no conflict between just principle and the best pragmatic outcomes… and that he who truly governs best… governs least.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
Maori,Pakeha, Engineer, and Christian Libertarian.
P.S… I could go on and on about how Nanny state destroys lives.
Eg We could discuss how the war on Drugs is so disproportionately detrimental to Maori yet ironically their Political class are again at the forefront of maintaining and extending the oppressive war that criminalizes people and causes them to despise the Law, and society.
So there are plenty of injustices to rise against… yet they have nothing to do with institutional racism *against Maori*.
Like most socialist tyranny it is sold under the pretense of being for our own good.
More from Tim…
Tim Wikiriwhi’s Submission to the New Zealand Government’s Constitutional Review. 2013
Mt Everest is for Wimps! Lets Conquer Apartheid Government in New Zealand! A strategy.
Universal Pride in Washington, Separatist Shame in Wellington.
Trojan Horse: The UN Separatist Declaration of Indigenous Rights.
My speech for the 1Law4all party 2014 AGM. Tim Wikiriwhi. 17 June. Hamilton
The Wanganui River and the incredulous incantations of the Neo-Tohungas…