Here we go… more Ardern Messianic Socialism in the name of saving us (and the planet) from our own stupidity and inability to make our own adult choices.
People are so stupid as to swallow just about any excuse to attack freedom ‘Tuff on Gangs’ … ‘Saving the environment’… and they simply dont care about the innocent people who get stomped on in the process as long as its not themselves…. these fools dont understand that this Political corruption is in fact destroying our country….and that they are paying the price in a thousand different ways as our nation asphyxiates itself.
This will cause undeserved pain to some workers and businesses, and will drive up costs because if there were economic advantages in the bamboo versions the market would have naturally gravitated towards them without Miss Dictators Edict.
One step at a time our Nation is sinking under dictatorship.
Like Frogs in a pot… the heat is imperceptibly being turned up… yet the frogs just sit their enjoying the warmth…until they are boiled to death.
Many are actually applauding their own enslavement.
What is especially vile about this is that our population and businesses could have been persuaded to voluntarily make these ‘sacrifices’ and supposed ‘ethical decisions’ had the will been there to have our society one of Reason as opposed to one of Nanny State Tyranny… yet the politics and ethics of freedom are despised by Socialists like Ardern… who *always* resorts to Legal coercion to achieve her aims.
Yet hopefully she will be gone next election… not that National are any better…. Both Bridges and Collins are *Fascists* when it comes to the Police!
We can tell from their recent public announcements that they would love to set up special ‘Strike-force Raptor Units’ to harass Gangs, when in reality These Units *Harass everyone* … and represent a massive descent from Freedom into tyranny.
These facts are seen with the shameful behavior of the Police in Australia…. The attitude of these Units and how they conduct themselves towards the public is outrageous! as can be seen by many Social media posts via Citizens filming their shameful bullying and escalation of the most trivial matters into serious situations whereby the Police are the main instigators… as if Courts are not already overloaded… these Fascist Units create violent situations out of thin air.
Just the facts…..
“The opposition party yesterday proposed setting up an elite police squad – modelled on Strike Force Raptor in New South Wales – with the sole purpose of crushing gangs.
National leader Simon Bridges repeatedly described the unit as “devastatingly effective” and referenced media reports which claimed it was driving outlaw bikies into extinction.
But former NSW detective Mike Kennedy told RNZ that was “nonsense” and Bridges was “living a dream” if he believed that.
“He needs to pull his head out of whatever it’s stuck in because … [gangs] exist. They’re always going to exist. They just go underground.
“I’m not a bleeding heart liberal,” he said. “But [the zero-tolerance strategy has] just been a disaster.”
The MPs of both Labour and National just dont get *the value of freedom*…. they just dont get it that a Free society tolerates the broadest range of personal choice and association and that the Laws should not destroy Freedom simply to make the Police’s job ‘easier’…. at the expense of the citizens rights!
The Laws are sufficient and the Police have ample powers to arrest *real criminals* without the Evil of making *wearing certain garb (Gang patches)* a crime.
The principles of Freedom of choice and association are too precious to allow the Police to arbitrarily outlaw whatever they like…. yet the sheeple are too ignorant of what is at stake to care… and that is why New Zealand is sinking into a Police State….
And with every ‘Edict’… our economy takes a hit and imperceptibly our entire quality of life is being eroded…
Then these same Politicians say… “why is homelessness and suicides increasing???”… why are children going to school without lunches? Why is everyone struggling to keep their heads above water?
We must need more Nanny State!
And this is the sad world we will be leaving to our children and Grand children!
Having such Ideologically Corrupt politicians both in power *and* in Opposition has been a gigantic disaster for our country that has nosedived into regressive Dictatorship… Ardern facing Zero resistance from the Main opposition party for her heavy handed policies… So in practical terms National have been in Cahoots with Labour and are effectively no less culpable for what has been afoot under Ardern’s Regime.
So Wake up!
Dont vote Labour or National!
Vote either Act or New Conservative!
Its time for New Zealand to have a better caliber of Parliament…. More respectful of Freedom, and our rights… and esp one that is not systematically selling us out the the UN.
I spent a week preparing myself for this Oral submission, though we were given a mere 5 minutes to present our arguments.
The idea that such a stingy allocation equates to sound due process… that the Government is ‘interested’ and ‘listening’ to citizens concerns before passing legislation is farcical… Nonetheless there is little point crying about it.
With this in mind I Ruthlessly ignored a thousand equally important factors I would have loved to have been able to present, I managed to focus my submission to a single main theme… the end result being notes 4 times the material that I would be able to speak in 5 minutes… which meant before I even walked in the door I had to sacrifice 75% of this already narrow presentation… leaving me with a mere 1/4 of a single thread of argument… and I guess I am supposed to feel honored to have been able to present that tiny snipet.
There’s nothing Important at stake after all… just the Future Freedom of My Children and theirs!!!!
Only the fact that my country is sinking into a Jackbooted Police State!
I Prayed for Calmness and wisdom, yet still I could not prevent myself from becoming emotional as I presented my case.
In the end I did not even manage to finish that meager portion… yet fortunately I brought 6 printed copies of my full oral submission that I was able to give to the Clark, and so That was a more positive outcome than my 5 minute presentation.
I admit that I was quite nervous about delivering my submission as I had visions of being raked over the coals at question time with regards to how scathing my earlier written submission was… as it turned out my paranoia was unfounded.
Having watched a few submissions, I was expecting the Chair to tell me when I was at 4 minutes so that I could round up on my final points, and maybe field a question or two, yet for some reason she did not give me a 4 minute signal and so I spoke right up to the bell and finished rather abruptly.
I did not hang about long after my delivery as i was expected back at work, yet the ratio was about 5:1 against the Bill.
I left when one submitter began to say they supported the Bill.
The Secretary of The council of Licenced Firearms Owners (COLFO) Nicole Mckee was present and I introduced myself to her and we had a short chat about proceedings.
She was a very pleasant lady, and gave me her card.
Though she had already presented an Oral submission as a COLFO representative at an earlier Hearing, she was in attendance to hear the submissions, and to offer encouragement and advice to others making submissions.
Below is a video of my submission (starts about 5 minutes in… and dont worry… the Video corrects its orientation before I start to speak! 🙂 )
from this you will get the shortened summary of the much longer argument I presented to the committee via the Clark … which I will also post after the video.
It should also be remembered that I had already made a written submission on this Bill here.
Because Submission time was so short, it is difficult to feel satisfied yet at least I know I have done the best I could muster under the circumstances.
^^^Watch the video… My submission is about 5 min in….
FGM Stadium, Splice Construction Lounge.
Oral submission on the (New Zealand) Arms Legislation Bill.
To the Finance and Expenditure Committee
In my written submission I made many statements about why I reject the re-establishment of a gun register.
In these Hearings the Committee will have herd testimony from a broad range of experts on Guns, and the gun community, social services, etc
My contribution is from a different quarter.
I do not own any firearms.
I want talk about this bill from the perspective of a Father and Grandfather and very concerned and observant citizen who has been witnessing over the past year that New Zealanders Individual Freedom across the board have been coming under siege … not from Terrorism but from oppressive politics.
Our Rights which have been a birthright for generations are threatened from a rapidly expanding Police State.
The Bill before us is all part of this insidious regressive process and that is why I call upon you to reject it in totality.
via such activities as this Bill and the Arms amendment Act, and the belligerent attitude of Parliament and the police, our Cultural heritage and very fabric of our nation are being systematically undermined.
It is frightening to witness these changes that are being hastily implemented by this parliament in the space of less than a year.
let me quickly give a few examples.
The Waikato is a place that has always held the Best Armistice Remembrance days… and I have always attended them …. bringing my family to look at all the military displays and memorabilia… esp all the old machine guns that collectors brought along… and you could sit and chat with them as they proudly described Epic Battles and Heroic Deeds performed by the New Zealand troups… and others.
Each year this events grew bigger and better… except for this year… Something terrible has happened and it is not the Terrorist attack… as some may assume, but the atmosphere that now exists because owning machine Guns and semiautomatics has become a crime!
All the machine-guns and semi-automatics that were normally there ….were gone!
Yet they were all Taonga!
This parliament has succeeded in the space of a year to create an atmosphere under which to enjoy our Martial traditions and history… and Arms… is now virtually *a thought crime!*
The difference in this year’s event was appalling…
The guts has been ripped out of the Event.
Attendance was very low, and when I talked with those people who were still running stalls and displays they virtually all told me they believed the cause of the dirth was the new Anti-gun laws.
I fear the viability of this long held remembrance event is now in jeopardy.
Multiply this sad situation across the country and the magnitude of the ‘New Anti-Gun era’ being fostered onto our country by the Government becomes apparent…. and it is shocking to me.
I was told of other cancelled events.
On top of this I have seen News reports that the Guns and arms that RSAs have had on display for decades are now under threat of destruction … all because of Parliaments and the Police’s callous and arrogant attitudes and agenda!
Lest we forget…
What was the reason New Zealanders fought two world wars?
It was to liberate Nations from invading Tyranny and to Defeat Evil Totalitarian Ideologies and powers that threatened the life and liberty of ourselves, our Friends, and neighbors!
Lest we forget…
The idea that New Zealand’s greatest sacrifices for Western civilization… for freedom are being systematically destroyed instead of preserved for Posterity is a monumental crime that only serves the interests of those in governments… certainly not the well being of the people!
And it is *you people* who are doing this. Your ill conceived legislation is having many dire consequences that weaken not strengthen our Nation.
Via bills such as the one we are considering today You are effeminating our Nation!
Your ‘Guns are Evil’ indoctrination is socially conditioning an ignorance and a loss of respect for Bearing arms, and the security and quality of life that comes from being a Brave… Free… and proud martial people!
Since the Christchurch event the cowardly way the government has behaved has proven that the Terrorist has won!
Legislation like the bill before us is taking our nation in the very opposite direction of what ought to have been done in the wake of what happened… and the wrong people are being punished!
Instead of the knee jerk reaction of Heavy handed fire arms prohibitions…driven by Political opportunism and Fear, this horrific event should instead have strengthened our National resolve to remain strong and Free!
That is how you defeat terrorism!
The very worst thing you could possibly do is go weak at the knees and retreat backwards into a less free Nation!
Yet that is what Parliament has done.
Only 4 types of people benefit from making our Nation weaker and more timid …as you are today in the process of doing… and these are Criminals, Terrorists, Foreign Enemies, and a tyrannical domestic government.
Taking away New Zealanders most powerful firearms is an extremely foolish thing to do with respect to Homeland security!
God forbid that we should face a foreign invasion …. yet when an enemy knows that we have been disarmed by our own Government … that only serves to encourage them to attack us!
Far from reducing the likely hood of future terrorist attacks … by taking away the nations best guns you are making us all weaker… in resolve and in arms !
And you have succeeded in making our country a much more juicy target… ie much much less safe!
In New Zealand we have no Constitutional protection from Mob rule or the arbitrary whims of Parliament as our Bill of Rights is not worth the paper it is printed on!
We dont have a ‘Second amendment as the US does
and that is the only reason why This government and Police has been able to get away with taking us down this low road… and running Ruff shod over the rights of Gun owners…
yet this does not make what you have been doing right… even if it is Legal…
This is not the rule of Law…which is the rule of just principle…. what you guys are doing is an unprincipled exercise of arbitrary power!
It is a well understood principle of Liberty that The Police should never be allowed any part in writing the laws they are being paid to enforce!
It places too much power in their hands and is a dangerous opportunity for them to put their own interests ahead of the Rights and liberties of the people they serve….
The Police are not our masters, but our servants and from how their hierarchy have been behaving lately its high time they were reminded of this fact!
I have been actively promoting the Idea that New Zealand desperately needs a New Constitution to prevent this sort of abuse of legislative power currently afoot.
A constitution that does among other things embodies the principles of the US second amendment… yet in the absence of this today… here and now …. all I can do is appeal to this committees conscience.
I hope my submission has succeeded to some degree in giving you pause… to contemplate what direction this legislation and others like hate speech laws will carry our Nation…. and that is backwards… making us less free… and making us Weaker… more vulnerable… and more dependent…
It does not have to be this way… This committee could recommend to parliament that there is a far better and more principled ways to move forward after what happened in Christchurch….
That they should reject this program of Gun restrictions and registers… and instead boldly defend the great freedoms we have enjoyed in this country for generations… respecting our Culture and traditions that have made living here so wonderful.
Please Act now before the Police destroy all our Cultural treasures in arms!
This is pure sacrilege and vandalism!
Please don’t stuff things up for my children!
I want them to be Brave, Independent, and free.
Thank you. I am now willing to face your questions.
Update: I edited this argument slightly to fit the Supplementary Order Paper 408 -Arms legislation bill and submitted it with the following recommendation….
“I recommend this bill be rejected in total, and an independent review be taken as to how Parliament and Jacinda Ardern have circumvented due process to rush these Arms Prohibitions into Law without a legitimate mandate from the people (ie the people did not vote them into government on these serious legislative changes), or at least first waiting for the Royal Commission of Inquiry Report into the Christchurch Terror attack before making any decisions on Arms Legislation.
I would also hope such an Inquiry would investigate why the terms of reference for the Royal Commission did not allow them to investigate the process in which the arms amendment act was hastily enacted, whether the act will prevent any future attacks, or why the Commission were not instructed to thoroughly investigate the Police in how they granted Brenten Tarrant a Licence. These shortcomings in the terms of reference smacks of a political cover up as it Hog ties the commission from investigating these most essential questions.
If it is found that the Police did not fulfill their Duties correctly in granting Tarrant a licence, this would indicate that this whole series of Arms prohibitions and regulations that is being Ram Rodded home is a devious miscarriage of justice against New Zealand citizens and gun owners, because Arms legislation as it stood was already sufficient to prevent the Christchurch event if only the Police had done their Job properly.
And If all this proved to be true then the activities of Jacinda Ardern, The New Zealand Police Hierarchy should be held accountable for political corruption, and legitimacy of the Arms amendment act itself must be called into question… and preferably abolished.”
As usual it was on the last night that submissions were open that I could no longer put off writing my submission… and as usual that left me no time to do a decent job of it… no time to refine it, correct it etc etc and I have just submitted it with just over an hour till submissions close…
I post it below…
Submission of Tim Wikiriwhi on the Arms Legislation Bill
I oppose the regressive step of reintroducing a Gun registry, and any further infringements of New Zealanders current Gun Rights.
I request the Bill be scrapped.
My concerns about this second tranche of heavy handed Gun laws proposed in this Bill, is that like the preceding Arms amendment Act which criminalised Law abiding citizens who owned semiautomatic firearms… who have now been forcefully dispossessed of their rightful property having been stripped of their rights though having committed no offences whatsoever… are yet again facing more unjust treatment by our Leftist Liberal Government and Police… under equally disingenuous aims and justifications.
The way the first Tranche was shamefully enacted sets the context by which the public ought now to view with trepidation this second tranche.
That spectacle is still fresh in my mind… the underhanded way Parliament cheated David Seymour of his vote to insure a more thorough process was followed… with far more public consultation… truly contemptible behavior by Parliament for Legal rigor!
There are good reasons why those legal safeguards existed for a more thorough process and yet all parliament colluded to negate due process!
The Shame of it stinks to hell!
Parliamentarians like Ardern whose personal Globalist ideology is at variance with her duty and responsibility to the people of New Zealand, and The Police who had been lobbying to get Semiautomatic Rifles outlawed for a long time prior to the Christchurch event, have colluded together and acted in self serving ways with respect to the first tranche of Arms confiscations, and being emboldened by the ease with which they were able to Rob New Zealanders of their Rights and property…. they now have come back for a second helping with this second tranche… that is born out of the same self interest and carried forward by the same contempt for the rights, property, and Liberty of the New Zealand people!
There is little evidence that the Government’s gun buyback scheme would avoid future gun-related death and injury, the Treasury advised the Government. (ref:https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/treasury-advice-on-gun-buyback-little-evidence-it-will-avoid-gun-related-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR2ZCaHQttCvXPfJHKO9dWuokLwmMg2ywEyqsbsZxy7n9StvIFCuemWscvE)
And with this being so is it any wonder that large swathes of previously trusting New Zealanders are now starting to see through the propaganda about these arms amendments being about making our country safer, but now perceive the real underlying motivations behind these legislative actions that serve to take away the rights of New Zealanders and further empower the State?
New Zealanders like myself are not fooled by the semblance of ‘due diligence’ that this public submission process entails… New Zealanders need to ask whether or not The committees place any serious weight on concerns raised by Citizens like myself who oppose new legislation which take away the rights and property of New Zealanders and further empower the State… or as I suspect via cognitive dissonance and prejudice they dismiss voices of protest, and carry out their own ambitions… regardless.
For example I know that the committee will have received many submissions that will respectfully ask the committee to consider overseas evidence that Gun Registers are notoriously unreliable at keeping track of fire arms… and at best only keep track of those held by the law abiding… not criminals… and are very expensive to administer, and result in another bloated bureaucracy, and because they dont make society safer other countries have abandoned them And in fact it was because of facts like this that New Zealand decided the register was a waste of time and abandoned having one in the first place!
These people who make these valid points for which they have good evidence to substantiate their assertions that the reintroduction of a Gun register will not make our country safer from gun crimes are doing so under the assumption that this submission process is not a charade, and that the committee will genuinely be moved by Well reasoned arguments and appeals to facts.
These well intentioned and guileless gun owners take it on face value and have bought into the line that these proposed amendments arise from Ardern’s genuine ambition to make New Zealand safer… and that she and Parliament will be open to reason.
I suspect Ardern’s real ambition is ultimately the prohibition of all privately owned firearms… one step at a time.
I think to myself How foolish are these other citizens who appeal to the governments sense of reason!
How silly to assume that by providing facts and proofs that a gun register will not achieve the expressed outcome that our government claims to be the underpinning motive and justification for the Law changes that they will take heed of such submissions and this bill will not make it though the gauntlet into law!
I doubt this because Ardern and her Comrades keep their *Real motives and intents* hidden from the public and so they will not be swayed by such facts in the slightest… because they miss *the real mark*!
My submission on the other hand may be less congenial… but is more accurate.
Their true reason for enacting this bill and having a gun register *is about power over New Zealand gun owners*
Thus I can say with a large degree of confidence that no matter how many submission this committee receives in opposition to this bill that it will become law… the public be damned!
If after this Public consultation process it is determined *not to reintroduce a gun register* I will eat my hat!
Its already a foregone conclusion… because Ardern and the NZ Police *want the register for their unspoken nefarious goal.
All submissions and arguments and proofs about how a register is a waste of time with respect to public safety will fall on deaf ears as the *Real* purpose why Ardern and the Police want the gun register is *not about* safety or keeping guns out of criminal hands… but about making it easier for them… *The State* to implement future successive waves of Arms confiscations and make it much harder for The Citizens to refuse to comply… and this is their agenda and why a gun register *will serve the interest of Ardern and the Police very well*.
Step by step our Rights are in retreat while the jackbooks march forward until they have achieved their ultimate goal… complete firearms prohibition… the Socialist Police States wet dream!
The Draconian way Our Arden led Parliament and police have behaved post Christchurch Attack has in fact evidenced the tragic truth… The terrorist has won!
This Bill is part of an ongoing assault on the Rights of New Zealanders that represents a massive shift in personal freedom vs the Power of the State… it is part of an insidious erosion of Our Liberty and Rights that has been enthusiastically accelerated by our hostile Government and Police under the pretense of being an understandable response to the Christchurch terrorist mass murders.
A response that in fact is so ‘understandable’ it was not merely anticipated by the Terrorist himself… but carefully engineered!
Ardern and the Police have done exactly what the terrorist hoped they would do and he said so in his manifesto!
That’s the manifesto the government has banned New Zealanders from reading so that they can understand what the vile Terrorist’s actions were *really* all about for themselves.
The manifesto which our government has busied itself trying to get banned internationally.
So now New Zealanders who never watched the news reports about the manifesto… or took the opportunity to read it while it was still lawful to do so… are now expected to ‘Believe the Official narrative’.
In reality these new Gun laws have zero to do with *a rational response* to the Christchurch atrocity.
New Zealanders who are not fooled by Socialist Liberalism know our government is following the UN ‘textbook’ on ‘how to sell out your Nation to Globalism, a chief tenet of which is the disarmament of Western populations…which is why US Liberals are so hostile towards their second amendment which constitutionally protects american citizen’s gun rights from Liberal Police State confiscation.
And in this UN Socialist textbook it is the Police who benefit from all the new legislation… not the people… the people have to simply shut up… and do as they are told!
We see our Globetrotting PM promoting Anti-free speech State regulations of Social media, and yet
internet security via encryption is not welcomed… because it will hamper Government (Police) ability to spy on citizens.
Parliaments and the Police rushed Arms Amendments has sown mistrust and outrage!
Innocent and law abiding New Zealanders have been robbed of their rights and property by the collusion of Politicians and the Police.
After such belligerency is there any wonder Public opinion of the Police is at an all time low and that Ardern’s Coalition government is now tanking in the Polls?
The Vigilant citizen has every right to ask themselves what the heck is going on!
We are not the fools Ardern and the Police take us for… We know the subversive political doctrines that are being implemented by political ideologues and a belligerent Police Hierarchy.
We can see the direction you are taking our Nation… and we protest!
It was also the very height of presumption for Ardern to ‘Pontificate’ ‘that firearm ownership is not a right but merely a privilege’ … This statement coming down from on high is not *a fact* but her personal opinion that is worth no more than any other New Zealanders… no matter how often it was repeated in the press since.
That this utterance has become the dominant premise being peddled to the New Zealand public is a disgrace!
If such a position were to be accepted as a Fact that would render New Zealanders not Free citizens who enjoy the greatest Liberty… but sorry subjects of an Authoritarian State that rules by despotic Laws and powers!
Ask yourselves how it is that our society should slide so far!…. So fast!…so that now we are told we can no long enjoy the great freedoms we have had for generations?
Note: The following commentary is not written to attack the Transgender Community but to discuss matters of Freedom and rights. I am critical about how the Liberal left movement is behaving and how they have corrupted the government, and Learning institutions, this is not an attack on the trans people themselves and their right to exist in Liberty…
I seek to define the limit to which everyone’s free choices and beliefs must be catered for by others… and the same rules apply to all… there can be no contravention of the principle of Adult volitional consent in matters of a sexual nature.
This person is Unhinged….. They seriously thinks that straight people must go along with their personal fantasy… yet we all know from where all these corrupt ideas emanate.
The Liberal delusional philosophy is the very destruction of freedom and rights!
They seek to abdicate other peoples Volitional Consent and *force themselves upon others *!
This is how twisted this Liberal Rubbish has become!
Their Ideas turn out to be a Rape Culture in Drag!
*Freedom* and rights proper on the other hand would say you can be Trans if you like, and you can engage in *consensual sexual activities* with willing others without threat of legal persecution… but you cant *force* others into any sort of sexual activity… you have no more right to *Demand* sex than anyone else!
Rights *dont* impose obligations on others to abdicate their own volition.
Socialist politics of Course is all about *legal force* and that is why it is Totalitarian and anti individual liberty.
If only Trans people were not under the spell of Whacko Liberalism but instead understood true freedom and Rights!
The WOKE SJW delusions are in fact working to sow malice towards them from everyone else… including many feminists because of the militancy with which they have been programmed to impose themselves upon others by *unreasonable demands* like this… I mean *no other sexual demographic* Demands… porno companies give them work… eg One legged old men dont say “Its a hate crime that porno companies wont employ us”…. etc etc… because thats not how freedom or rights work!
Western societies ought to be *very concerned* alarmed that this sort of Anti-freedom rubbish is now being investigated as a possible ‘hate crime’ by the Police!
This is how far the liberal cancer has embedded itself in the Engines of the State… soon It will become a hate crime to even criticize this political madness.
We have already reached a point whereby anyone who wants to do a political analysis or commentary (like mine) that dares to critisise the Woke Trans Agenda risks being Banned from Social Media so that this ‘Threat’ in itself works to suppress free speech and open dialogue… the accusation of ‘Transphobia’ being the operative character assassination, when in reality Libertarians like myself are *not at all* hateful of Transgender people or seeking to ‘oppress them’ in any way… we are simply showing how the Liberal left has overstepped the mark and are now oppressing *heterosexuals*, and Christians, and Feminists, and even Lesbian feminists (who dont believe Transgender Men should be allowed to compete against Natural woman in sports!)
When will this madness end????
The Woke Civil War.
A Kiwi example of how the Transgender movement is now Savaging the feminists who helped them get established is seen in the saga of Ex NZ Herald writer Rachel Stewart who quit the herald after they spineless declined to publish an article she wrote about how the transgender movement was now turning against feminism….
It seems far-fetched that the mere hiring of a Massey University venue by a feminist organisation could cause so much indignation and rage, but these are not typical times.
A bunch of females getting together within a public space to discuss the issues currently affecting them is far from new, and very far from radical.
Yet, the idea that ‘Feminism 2020’ would dare to congregate at a venue on Massey’s Wellington campus saw a number of students stage a sit-in, which culminated in the handing over of a petition calling on the university to cancel the event.
What is so threatening about women coming together and talking? According to the protestors and petitioners, the organisers of the event – Speak Up for Women – are essentially devil incarnates.
Petition organiser Charlie Myer said the university shouldn’t be “facilitating this kind of discussion”. Feminism 2020 “could have [the event] anywhere” but it wasn’t appropriate for them to hold it at a university, which was supposed to support transgender students.”
Last time I looked universities were required to respect and uphold the quaint, old-fashioned tenet of free speech too. And Massey has, thus far, held out against the pressure of every thrown guilt trip known to mankind. You know, we don’t feel “safe”.
Myer also disputed the group was feminist and simply meeting to discuss women’s issues. “If your feminism isn’t intersectional, it isn’t feminism.”
My advice to parents is to beware Massey University!
There are warped Academics there and any vulnerable young people will be exposed to heavy Transgender indoctrination…. Be warned.
It is in such places that vulnerable youth are conditioned to become transgender under the sway of such movements… only later to regret having transitioned… now it is being reported that *thousands* of Trans Youth now are full of regret and are seeking help to *transition back* to the sex of their nativity…. and we can be certian that a great deal of these youths were indoctrinated and conditioned into becoming transgender by ideologically twisted academics in Universities where these contemptible SJW Liberals congregate… spreading their Toxic and perverse ideas about sexuality.
Please follow that link and read the story there.
My short commentary is below followed with a few excerpts from the article reproduced simply out of fear that this valuable tale may disappear off the net.
Originally published Dec. 31, 2006, with the headline: Doctor and invention outlast jeers and threats
By JOE ROJAS-BURKE, The Oregonian
Commentary by Tim Wikirwihi….
This is a perfect example of how Forward thinkers are treated like fools by the Backward and entrenched status quo… and how innovators meet with hostility from the establishment.
It also shows why People should not simply leave their own health concerns or those of their friends and loved ones in the hands of ‘the Experts’… or trust that they are telling you the whole truth!
It is also informative that this sort of behavior is especially prevalent in the fields of science exposing the fallacious yet carefully crafted myth that the scientific fraternity is peopled with enlightened and objective thinkers who are especially open to progressive ideas… the opposite is true… science is infested with narrow minded and Dogmatically opinionated drones… who are more likely to resist progress than speed it.
And this being so my friends… you had better be prepared to swim against the flow of ‘accepted opinions’ if you want to more closely understand the truth.
“In a pause between patients, Epley reflected on the reasons other doctors refused to accept his findings for so many years.
“If I look back at medical school, much of it was misinformation,” he said. “Physicians learn to just do the routine, to do the accepted things — don’t go too far out. They’ve got so much to lose if they stick their neck out.”
Rest in Peace Dr Epley.
“He is a doctor and innovator. Years ago, he took aim at a medical curse that has disabled millions of people and defied treatment. He came up with a cure that was astonishingly simple. No surgery. No pills.
Now, think: Would his colleagues cheer his stroke of ingenuity by spreading the news — and practice — of the treatment to relieve suffering?
No. Inexplicably, they rejected him, ridiculed him, heaved accusations that threatened his license to practice medicine.”
“John Epley’s stooped shoulders and gentle eyes gave him a turtlish look. He wore a thickly knotted necktie and wrinkled sport coat. No amount of combing could tame the stubborn cowlick in his short hair.
His audience of ear surgeons muttered skeptically and shook their heads. Few at the October 1980 meeting in Anaheim, Calif., believed Epley’s claim to have developed a cure for the most common cause of chronic vertigo.
In any given year, tens of thousands of people seek treatment for the disorder’s strange, crippling attacks. Provoked by a casual tilt or turn of the head, the victim’s surroundings whirl. The eyeballs twitch involuntarily. Nausea overwhelms the senses. On-and-off bouts may torment a sufferer for years.
Physicians were baffled. The best they could offer as treatment was a drastic last resort: surgically destroying nerves to the inner ear, impairing patients’ balance and possibly their hearing.
Epley proposed an elegant alternative.
His talk concluded with a demonstration, a young woman acting as his patient. Epley and his research collaborator, audiologist Dominic Hughes, began by tilting the woman flat on her back, her head hanging over the end of an exam bench. Hughes cradled her head in his hands and rotated it about 45 degrees to his right, then he and Epley rolled the woman’s head and shoulders back to the left in a counterclockwise move that ended with her face down. In a final move, Hughes and Epley lifted the woman to a sitting position.
And that was it.
By then, audience members were walking out. One doctor stomped up to Epley and slapped down a comment card before exiting. He’d scrawled, “I resent having to waste my time listening to some guy’s pet theory.”
To maintain balance, the brain coordinates messages from the eyes, from muscles pulling against gravity and from motion sensors inside the inner ear’s maze of fluid-filled canals.
Another researcher had reported finding chalklike particles in the inner ears of vertigo patients and proposed that these particles clumped onto ears’ motion sensors to trigger false sensations of motion. But the hypothesis failed to explain the on-again-off-again nature of positional vertigo: If particles stuck on sensors, why did dizziness ever go away?
Epley and Hughes reasoned that the particles must float freely. Head movements might shift them, causing a siege of dizziness until the particles settled or shifted. It might be possible, they figured, to move the particles where they wouldn’t cause mischief. Since the particles are denser than inner-ear fluid and sink, gravity could do the work.
Hughes used plastic tubing to build a model of the inner ear. To simulate loose particles, he put BBs in the coiled tubes. He and Epley flipped and turned the hand-size model as they might a kid’s puzzle, to work out a sequence of moves to reposition the tiny metal balls.They began testing the moves on people straightaway, tilting and rolling them on an exam bench. Odd as the treatment sounded, frustrated patients were keen to try it.
The first two or three subjects seemed to gain immediate relief. At first, Epley wasn’t too impressed. The condition often clears up by itself, he recalls reminding himself. He didn’t know whether he had made any difference.
But when the treatment cured several more patients, including one who had endured dizziness for a decade, he and Hughes realized they’d hit upon a great discovery.
In Portland, some of Epley’s colleagues were so skeptical that they began to question his medical skills. Some doctors stopped referring patients.”
“In front of hostile crowds, he kept presenting his findings. Ken Aebi, a medical supply salesman in Portland who’d become Epley’s friend, felt helplessly embarrassed for him. Epley struggled at the lectern, reading too much from notes and occasionally wandering off on tangents. Some doctors rolled their eyes. Others laughed openly.”
At an emergency room in 1995, a doctor couldn’t figure out the cause of a sudden attack of vertigo that struck Joseph Delahunt.
He had crawled from the living room of his North Portland house out to his car so that his wife could drive him to the hospital. Delahunt hung his head out the window and vomited most of the way. An Air Force veteran in his mid-50s, he was healthy and active — selling real estate and practicing yoga — until the attacks started.
Delahunt consulted his family doctor, then tried a neurologist and an ear, nose and throat doctor. They prescribed motion-sickness drugs and other medicines that didn’t help much. One told him he’d have to learn to live with the “benign” condition. None mentioned Epley’s treatment. His wife discovered it on the Internet.
Delahunt’s condition worsened. To avoid unbearable, spinning nausea, he sat as still as he could in a reclining chair. For nearly three months, he left the recliner only to go the bathroom.
At Epley’s office, an assistant helped Delahunt down a long hallway to a gray-walled room with closed blinds. An ungainly apparatus filled much of the room. Inside a giant steel ring hung a padded chair that reminded Delahunt of an ejection seat. Motors, gears and drive-chains were rigged to flip and twirl the chair like a carnival ride.
Delahunt stepped up to a platform and into the chair. An assistant clipped straps across his chest and ankles. She covered his eyes with a bulky mask. It contained a video camera to track his eyes. She clipped a vibrator behind his ear. It buzzed gently, more lightly than a cell phone on vibrate.
“Are you comfortable?” the assistant asked. Delahunt nodded, grateful for the Valium he’d taken.Epley fingered a joystick controller to tilt the chair back until Delahunt was face up. A flick of the joystick rotated Delahunt like a barbecue skewer. On a black-and-white computer display, Epley monitored his patient’s eyes for a characteristic twitching movement triggered by positional vertigo. He repeated the series of calibrated tilts and whirls. Then he swung the chair upright and face-forward.
No waves of vertigo struck when Delahunt moved his head. The nausea had cleared. He stopped taking the medications other doctors prescribed and resumed his life.
Threat to livelihood
In Portland, many doctors still dismissed Epley as a crank.
The conflict flared into a crisis in 1996. The Oregon Board of Medical Examiners notified Epley that he was under investigation for alleged unprofessional conduct.
His medical license and livelihood were on the line.”
“Epley’s accusers, two Portland physicians, testified that Epley was administering the nerve-deadening drugs recklessly, based on inadequate diagnostic testing.
Epley’s main defender, a Harvard-affiliated specialist from Boston, described Epley as “a forward thinker who has been right virtually every time he stuck his neck out.”
Litzenberger left no doubt whom she found most credible, portraying the board’s medical experts as hostile, one-sided and ill-informed. In the summer of 2001, Litzenberger dismissed all claims.”
“By then, a review article in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine had credited John Epley as the inventor of the “treatment currently recommended” for positional vertigo. In clinical trials, about 90 percent of patients were cured by a single treatment. Doctors applying treatment around the world referred to it as the “Epley maneuver.”
“At 76, Epley sees patients three days a week. He spends the two other days of the workweek at Vesticon. His daughter’s startup has already launched development of two of Epley’s other inventions.
In a pause between patients, Epley reflected on the reasons other doctors refused to accept his findings for so many years.
“If I look back at medical school, much of it was misinformation,” he said. “Physicians learn to just do the routine, to do the accepted things — don’t go too far out. They’ve got so much to lose if they stick their neck out.”
Three years after this article was published on the front page of The Oregonian, Dr. John Epley had a stroke and retired. He died in July 2019.
So Hamilton and Waikato regional Council has a New Mayor and some new Councillors.
I will not reveal too much about my own votes which were left to the final hours before being cast.
I will say that I was surprised that Paula Southgate won the Mayoralty and that she was not my choice.
I reserve making any serious commentary on what I expect this to mean for Hamilton other than I do fear she may be heavy on the Environmental hysteria and Heavy on spending in general… yet I may be wrong about this and so I am prepared to wait and see.
Maybe she will prove to be neither of these things?
One of the greatest disappointments I have about the result is that Hamilton’s best and most experienced Councillor of any Ward failed to be re-elected… Garry Mallett…and to him I salute for his hard work and tireless service to our City in trying to keep rates in check and being a voice of reason when other Councillors were proposing Ludicrous Schemes and projects.
I hope that Garry takes this time to enjoy a break, but that he gets back on the horse next election… and hopefully I myself will also rejoin the race.
I also hope Garry continues to keep his finger on the pulse and regularly publishes his Critiques of what council is doing… for better or ill as there has been no better analyst of Hamilton’s affairs than Garry Mallett. He certainly shows up the paucity of journalistic talent at the Waikato Times and they would do well to approach Garry about making regular commentary.
Unfortunately the Waikato Times is politically sloped towards PC Lefty SJW Tofu.
Garry has earned my ‘Outstanding Individual’ award for his contributions to our Local politics.
I hope that one day Garry is Mayor of Hamilton.
There are some new faces of whom I know little apart from their short profiles… and yet I do fear HCC and Waikato have lurched to the radical left… and with that we can expect more climate alarmism…more pandering to Treaty separatism… and less restraint on spending and borrowing.
I fear rates increases and other madness is far more likely now… such as ideologically driven regional fuel taxes, and the like… so what this demonstrates to me is that Hamiltonians have shown a tragic level of being indoctrinated by the globalist liberal propaganda.
I know that is not a politically expedient thing to say but I dont care… I believe its a fact and i want to be honest in sharing my genuine opinions.
Given the extreme bias of the media … and the scale of their bombardments I would not at all be surprised to see this was a general tend reflected in results across the country.
Though we disagree on the issue of climate change, I’d like to congratulate Jennifer Nickle for her success in regional council.
I worked on site with Jennifer at Fonterra Te Rapa and hope that her experience in the Dairy industry tempers her judgement to balance environmental concerns with the need for New Zealand and the Waikato to have viable industry that is the engine of our quality of life just as much as having clean water and air, and looking after our Fauna and Flora.
In fact I would hope she realises from her work with Fonterra that Industry can be a valuable partner to have in getting Private assistance to achieving ecological aims.
I would also like to give a shout out to Lisa Lewis and Jack Geilen.
Lisa worked very hard this election and put in a very credible and impressive campaign! I have always admired Lisa’s spirit… her courage, and should she have been elected she certainly would have added some colourful Charisma to the mix and an alternative perspective that would add value… in contrast to the *Wooden middle-class Uni indoctrinated blinkered types that infest city councils. I certainly think she would be a better Councillor that those whom are Liberal radical Greens steeped in socialism and Climate hysteria.
I hope she perseveres.
And Jack… Jack is a guy with whose struggle I understand.
Like Jack, I myself know how hard it is to stand up for what you believe in when you have no War chest from which to do the most basic advertising… and the Media does not give you a fair opportunity to share your ideas and solutions thus failing in their moral duty to inform the public of their real options on the ballot.
And most of all I respect Jack for his ceaseless activism and support for Fathers rights.
Such an important issue that is ignored by our PC feminist anti-Men indoctrinated political elites.
I will finish this Election commentary with a general congratulations to all the successful and a salute to all of the fallen… as I know that even those with whom i disagree that they have served… and will serve the Waikato with the best of intent… that they are civic minded people … and for that alone they deserve recognition.
I lay down the injunction to all to resist radical socialist hysteria but instead make prudent judgments that put the rights and rates of the citizens first… ahead of personal ideological bents.
Keep council spending down.
Dont expand Bureaucracy.
Dont hobble our personal liberty or rights to develop.
Dont waste our money on extravagant Colosseums and pyramids.
Below are links to some of my own thoughts on how to Council best.
The people of Venezuela surrendered their Guns and now cant overthrow their tyrannical Socialist government.
This is what the U.S second Amendment was enacted to prevent.
This is the Truth that Ardern and the globalists want to keep you all ignorant of….
They want you to hate the 2nd amendment which is the Peoples right to use arms to defend themselves and bring down a corrupt State.
They even had ‘Article 350’ which states “The people of Venezuela, faithful to their republican tradition, its struggle for independence, peace and freedom, shall disown any regime, legislation or authority that runs counters to democratic values, principles and guarantees, or that undermines human rights.”… and yet because the People foolishly surrendered their arms *They rendered themselves defenseless and had no way to get rid of the evil Dictatorship^… and so now they are victims… and dying by the thousands…. and the so-called benevolent Socialist Regime shows them no mercy… because the socialists care more about maintaining their grip on power than the well being of their own people…. understand that….
Ardern has used the Christchurch terror attack as an excuse to implement her own tyranical ambitions under the guise of making New Zealand safer… and the fools believed her… and allowed her to make us less safe!
Less safe from Terrorism, and certainly less safe from her Tyrannical Police State.
She has not disarmed any criminals… but has disarmed Law abiding New Zealanders.
It is no coincidence that she has attacked New Zealanders Gun Rights and seeks to destroy our rights to Free Speech… which is the right to call her out for imposing her oppressive new Laws.
This pattern of disdain for the rights of their citizens has been repeated all over wherever Socialism has prevailed… think about Tiananmen Square.
Think about Zimbabwe.
The Globalists *are Marxist communists* …. Ardern is a Communist traitor to the globalist cause…. she admitted this at the UN…..
Ardern is Corrupt!
She is putting our National interests second place to her own diabolical political delusions!
She is like so many treasonous Leaders across western civilisation like France’s Macron and Canada’s Trudeau.
Why do you think the whole World’s media and Globalist politicians see Trump as being ‘Evil incarnate’?
Why do you suppose they are all busy trying to get the people of the world to think of trump as being insane, Racist, and greedy?
and why do you think the Globalists have prevented Boris Johnson from implementing the express will of the people with regards to Brexit?
Why do you think they Put Tommy Robinson in Jail and have de-platformed the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos?
Wake up Fools!
Compare Ardern’s treacherous speech to that of Donald Trump!
Trump is far from perfect, yet his speech at the UN was a Truth Bomb!
The fanatical Left seek to shut down *anyone* who dares to challenge their agenda.
Look at Venezuela and realise the same fate of slavery awaits any population who surrenders to socialism and allows them to pass laws against free speech and the right of the people to bear arms… esp Arms like Semi-autos.
The New ‘Gun register’ is not being implemented to make New Zealand safer from criminals or terrorists but to make it easier for the government to take away the rest of New Zealanders means of resisting their tyranical globalist ambitions.
Soon voices like mine will be silenced.
Remember when you and your children are slaves…. that I warned you what was coming… and yet you did nothing.
And free speech is the right for me to expound these Truths that the government does not want the people to contemplate.
The Government wants this sort of political truth to be deemed as ‘Radical and Dangerous’… when it is Our Right to discuss these matters which upholds the fact that the State is *our servant… not our Master… and we may abolish it at any time we deem it to have become tyrannical and corrupt.
These truths are enunciated in the American declaration of independence,
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
These are Historic truths!
This is what the 2nd amendment is all about and why New Zealand needs a new constitution that contains these truths which outlaws the government from passing such Laws as they have just recently done with the Arms Amendment bill.
I am planning to make a written submission to
‘The Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Attack on Christchurch Mosques’.
Submissions close at 5pm Friday 27 September 2019.
A Brief piece of *Propaganda* is offered as an explanation of the general purpose of the inquiry….
” The Government announced that a Royal Commission of Inquiry would look into what State sector agencies knew about the individual’s activities before the attack, what, if anything, they did with that information, what measures agencies could have taken to prevent the attack, and what measures agencies should take to prevent such attacks in the future.
The Royal Commission is to present its report, by 10 December 2019, so the Government can reassure the New Zealand public, including its Muslim communities, that all appropriate measures are being taken to keep people safe.”
IE we are told that this is a genuine inquiry to make Us safer and prevent this happening again.
This is Bullshit.
I can already tell that this Inquiry is a Scam… by checking out the ‘Terms of Reference’ which are the instructions from Parliament that set the scope of the inquiry… what Parliament wants the inquiry to investigate and what it is prohibited from investigating… well in these ‘terms of reference’ (re: the link) we see that Ardern… in cahoots with the Police have already loaded the dice both to avoid the commission finding fault with the police leading up to the event, or with the governments actions after the event:
(A) no investigation will be made to inquire *into what failures the police made in issuing Tarrant a licence*
So this inquiry is designed to feign a rigorous investigations into the root causes… and yet one of the most vital aspects that need investigating… *How the Police could issue this foreign terrorist a Licence* … is *not* part of the investigation… thereby meaning the Police will not have to explain to the Public how and why they got it so wrong!
So there goes probably the most essential aspect of this horrific affair saving the Police and Government any fears of getting caught out as in any way culpable!
(B) the Commission is expressly forbidden from inquiring
or commenting on the New Arms amendments!
So what this means is if we the public present arguments that evidences that the new arms amendments actually make us *less safe*… the Commission is expressly forbidden from investigation this further or making recommendations *that may be contrary to Arderns ambitions to confiscate more guns!
So again the terms of reference *protect the Government and Police* from any lines of inquiry that calls into question their activities and Arms prohibition agenda!
So this means it is almost pointless submitting to the commission that a far better way to make NZ safer is to *strengthen* our rights to self defense rather than diminish them … which just goes to show just how much ‘hot air’ the claim that this is an honest investigation designed to fully inquire what was done wrong and what could be done better to help prevent this happening again.
It appears as if via the terms of reference the Police may even be handed an alibi.
Though they will not be facing any investigation into how well they adhered to their responsibilities and due processes on issuing licencees, I can see that if it appears that Tarrant was a complete unknown to intelligence agencies that this will not only be used to excuse the police for issuing him a licence (though members of the Gun community question the Polices procedural rigor) There is every likelihood that this Royal commission will ‘recommend’ an escalation in Police powers and intrusions!
This is a Farcical Charade…. A Whitewash!
Ardern’s Police state agenda against the people of New Zealand will keep chugging forward… under the pretense of National security against Terrorism.
Yet still I am going to make a submission and include a protest about these things… and at least they will become a matter of public record, because all submissions are kept and are available to the public to read…. and so I encourage people to get a submission together in the next 9 days.
P.S When is the government going to put Brenton Tarrant on Trial?
Whats taking so long?
Its been 6 months already!
The Longer they delay the more likely He will be rendered unfit to stand… is that what the government wants?
Is that their plan?
Or are they delaying until they can squeeze a guilty plea out of him so that we the public never get to hear all the facts????
Just remember there was no proper trial held in Australia after the squeezed a Guilty plea out of a psychologically damaged Martin Bryant for in respect to the Port Arthur Attack and that means no open and thorough scrutiny of the matter ever took place.
The Terms of Reference, set by the New Zealand Government, can be read in full here.
Translated versions are available as PDFs.
Summary of the Terms of Reference
The following is a brief summary of the Terms of Reference. It does not replace the specifics set out in the full Terms of Reference.
On 15 March 2019, an individual attacked the Al-Noor Mosque and the Linwood Islamic Centre in Christchurch while worshippers were at prayer. Fifty-one people were killed and more than 50 others injured, some seriously.
A man has been charged with offences related to the attack. His trial is due to take place in May 2020.
The Government announced that a Royal Commission of Inquiry would look into what State sector agencies knew about the individual’s activities before the attack, what, if anything, they did with that information, what measures agencies could have taken to prevent the attack, and what measures agencies should take to prevent such attacks in the future.
The Royal Commission is to present its report, by 10 December 2019, so the Government can reassure the New Zealand public, including its Muslim communities, that all appropriate measures are being taken to keep people safe.
Scope of Inquiry
The Royal Commission is to examine:
what State sector agencies knew about the accused attacker, before 15 March 2019
what State sector agencies did (if anything) with that knowledge
whether there was anything else State sector agencies could have done to prevent the attack
what else State sector agencies should do to prevent such attacks in the future.
The Royal Commission also needs to investigate the accused attacker’s activities before 15 March 2019, including:
his time in Australia
his arrival and residence in New Zealand
his travel within New Zealand, and internationally
how he obtained a gun licence, weapons, and ammunition
his use of social media and other online media
his connections with others, whether in New Zealand or internationally.
The Royal Commission must make findings on:
whether State agencies had information that could have alerted them to the attack
how State agencies worked with each other and shared information
whether State agencies failed to anticipate the attack because they were focused elsewhere
whether State agencies were in some way at fault
any other matters to provide a complete report.
The Royal Commission must make recommendations on:
what improvements could be made to the way State agencies gather, share and analyse information
how State agency systems could be improved to prevent future attacks
any other matters to provide a complete report.
These recommendations could include changes to legislation (except firearm legislation), policy, rules, standards or practices.
What the Royal Commission can’t look at
The Royal Commission cannot inquire into:
the guilt or innocence of any individual who has been, or may be, charged with offences in relation to the attack
amendments to firearms legislation
activity by entities/organisations outside the State sector (such as media platforms)
the response to the attack once it had begun.
The Royal Commission can consult with a range of groups, individuals and agencies to help with its inquiries. It must also appoint a person, or people, to help it engage with New Zealand’s Muslim communities.
The Royal Commission must act in a way to minimise the chance that its processes or report could be used for unlawful activities or damage the public interest.
The Royal Commission can suppress any confidential information it receives in order to protect public safety, avoid prejudicing the Government’s international relationships and maintenance of the law. In order keep this confidence, the Royal Commission may conduct its inquiry, or parts of it, in private.
The Royal Commission must present its report, including its findings and recommendations, to the Governor-General, in writing, no later than 10 December 2019. The Royal Commission may also make interim recommendations to the Governor-General at any time.
Before presenting its final report, the Royal Commission must also determine if there are any matters that should be referred to the Intelligence and Security Committee, the Minister responsible for the intelligence and security agencies, or the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security first.