For a Ref to Jefferson’s Religious views: Conservapedia
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In an 1803 letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Jefferson declared that “I am a Christian,” though his view of Christianity was different from most:
I then promised you that one day or other I would give you my views of [the Christian religion]. They are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other.
However, despite Jefferson’s self-declared Christianity, many of his views would be considered heretical by most theologians. Most notably, he attempted to create the Jefferson Bible – an edited version of the New Testament that retained Christ’s moral and practical teaching, while dropping supernatural elements.
Jefferson certainly believed Jesus to be a great teacher of morality, and believed the universe to be created by a God. Less clear is his views on subjects such as the divinity of Christ, the resurrection, sin and salvation. The Jefferson Bible suggests he rejects these ideas entirely, but is not definitive. Jefferson never had his Bible published during his lifetime. He did have this to say about Christianity and the message contained in the work that he created.
There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man.
“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
–Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
Life is pretty intense. The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune are stupendious! Listening to the tune ‘Return to innocence’ by Enigma I was thinking about How life is for us frail creatures, Naked and exposed to reality as we are. I was thinking Why did God make it/ allow it to go this way, and wondered to myself that If God Offered to change the world to the way I think it ought to be… would I accept his offer? And what would be the result of life in ‘Tims perfect world’? I then realised that the wise course would be to decline the offer and have Faith that God actually knows what he is doing … that no matter what I might think, He knows better than I. The truth is all our values are baced upon reality as it is. Ie they are based upon our finite lifespan, Our Moral dilemmas which we must navigate, etc and it is by these seaming problems and weaknesses that we see life and Human individuals as precious… that every minute ought to be treasured and put to Good purpose. Thus I realise all the Bleating by unbelievers against the way this world functions are but childish and vain. They act as if they are wiser and more moral than the Almighty and that he stands convicted of Sin in *Their court*. Could there be anything more vain? The world is such that Greatness is required. Having a vision. Keeping Faith in what is right…and stepping up… when everyone else steps back … in the face of adversity. This is the High road… Steep and perilous, walked only by the lovers of good, and the brave of heart. The Low road is for the slothful and wicked, The hipocrites and the lovers of darkness and oppression. I disagree with Voltaire’s argument that this is “The best of all possible Worlds” yet still trust that God knows what he is doing by allowing sin and the curse to run its course. Amen.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and rather than emulate its Fate China has un-officially abandoned Communism.
Today Western Social Democracies teeter on the brink of financial collapse, being brought to ruin by essentially the same insane Socialist statism as their Communist cousins, their slower demise being prolonged only by the lesser degree of their socialist zeal.
These are monumental events in history which have given many Libertarian Capitalists the hope better days are on the horizon, assuming a Global community of Free societies must rise in consequence of the inexorable march of Human progress, yet it has occurred to me that History portents a far more grim possibility… The Rise of the Anti Christ.
Who, you may ask but a lunatic could believe such a wild and terrible fate awaits us?
I am no Mad man. I am a realist.
To make my point I direct your attention to the chaos of Post world war 1 Germany and the rise of Adolf Hitler, A man whom may be said to be an almost perfect Pattern for Satans Man of Sin.
When you examine the circumstances which brought Hitler to power, you see that he took advantage of a time of great upheaval and Chaos and that The Foolish masses looked to his leadership as to a Messiah. Post WW1 Germany was in ruin. They suffered defeat, and the burden of War reparations imposed upon them by their conquerors. On top of this Germany was delt a second blow… The great financial collapse of the Late 1920s called the Great Depression. Germany was in Dire straits, and this was the perfect opportunity for Hitler to Lie his way into power. Weakened by Poverty and bleak prospects, the gullible Germans swallowed The lies Hitler peddled, promising them He would drag Germany out of the gutter and make them rulers of the world, if they will only give him the Power and authority to achieve it.
Hitler blamed the Jews as the chief cause of Germanys woes.
According to Hitler the Jews were trying to take over the World. This was a popular delusion of the era. He blamed the Jews for the defeat of Germany, for the rise of Communism, and for engineering the great depression.
The AntiChrist too will revive a fanatical Anti Semitism.
It was Hitler who had ambitions to rule the world!
In my view there are many ominous parallels to be drawn from the Germany that elected Adolf Hitler, to the present state of things in the world.
In my view The Stage is set for the Rise of the Antichrist.
Islamic terrorism has spread paranoia against religious liberty.
Though the Global financial collapse is the fruit of Socialist regulations, and meddling, the vast percentage of the human race have been deceived into thinking the collapse is to be blamed upon too much freedom, and upon rabid capitalism.
These are Perfect lies upon which The Antichrist may appear as a savior…riding his white horse, and take command of the entire global economy and put an end to all religious liberty.
The Book of Revelation tells us a Hitler-like Politician shall arise and shall rule the world. He shall command that no man will be allowed to buy or sell except they receive ‘the mark of the Beast,’ and that all whom refuse to worship his image…shall be killed.
Everything is falling into place for this Anti Freedom, Totalitarianism to occur.
Untold Millions will die!
Billions will recieve the mark…and be Damned!
Events such as the ‘Arab Spring’ in the Middle East are making the idea of a world government more plausible, and as unlikely as the mark of the beast may at first appear other strange/ frightening things are afoot that ought to send chills down ours spines eg. India is instituting a program to scan the retinas of every Indian citizen to put it into a Database. The justification is that this program will help the poor, prevent crime, cut down upon welfare fraud, and prevent government corruption ( That’s a classic! They are selling the greatest Government encroachment and violation of personal privacy… as an act of anti corruption!) Gullible fools will swallow these pretexts, and willingly submit themselves to this monstrous program, and when enough have subjected themselves voluntarily, it will be an easy thing to compel the rest under the pretext that those whom refuse are criminals and public enemies.
This is happening right now!
Yes Folks we are witnessing the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy before our very eyes.
Let me tell ya some good news… you can stop worrying about the Mayan calendar and the 2012 end of the world, I can assure you The world will still be here in 2013, unfortunately the bad news is this does not get us off the hook! The Bible tells us the most terrible period in human history lies ahead of us. Jesus warned that this period is going to be so terrible that unless God intervenes, no life will remain. (This Dispensation called The great tribulation is 7 years long)
When 2013 dawns Mockers will take this as a sign the all religion is BS. They will harden their hearts and say to themselves that the Bible is no better than these Mayan myths..
St Peter says…
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:” 2 Pete 1vs 19.
As a Christian saved by the grace of God I have no fear of going through this terrible age of tribulation. The Bible says that before this terrible time begins a very special day must first take place. It is the day that the current Christian Dispensation of grace ends, and God removes ‘the saved’ so that this terrible time of wickedness and judgment may fall upon all whom rejected the Gospel of grace. This special day is called The Day Of Redemption, and the event whereby the saved are taken up to meet Christ their savior is called the Rapture. After this day Salvation will not be a free gift, but will require strict obedience to righteousness, It will require enduring unto the end…refusing the Mark of the Beast, etc This Terrible time of Satanic rule and Divine judgment will only be brought to an end by the return Of Jesus Christ as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
You can avoid this terrible time, and to be saved from Judgment for your sins, by simply calling upon the name of Jesus Christ, accepting The gospel message that when he went to the cross that he paid the penalty for your sins, and trust in the scriptures testimony that he rose from the dead in victory over sin and death.
Humbug you say?
That’s what many fools would have thought when Noah warned them that God was going to destroy the world by Flood!
I know many people who read this will say in their hearts that the Bible is just a big fat man made lie. They will tell themselves the Bible is beyond belief.
To that the scriptures speak for themselves… “The fool hath said in his heart there is no God” (Psalm 14vs1) . And again “Professing themselves to be wise; they became fools” (Rom1vs22). And again “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1Cor2vs14).
Many reading this will think I am a complete fool to believe the Bible is truly the Word of God. I feel sorry for you, and yet though I must bare your reproach, I trust in Christ. I have faith that one day He will have the glory on Earth he deserves, and my zealous testimony for Christ shall in that day be vindicated.
Today you still have a chance to be saved! No man knows the Day or the hour that these Biblical events shall take place. Christians have been waiting 2000 years.
God is staying his hand, yet the hour of the rapture is drawing closer and closer… so too cometh the end of all the Human manufactured Madness and misery. We shall see christ in all his Glory… He will come as a thief in the Night. As it was in the days of Noah. People were eating and drinking. Marrying and giving in marriage, until Noah entered the Ark and the flood came…
Are you ready?
Tim Wikiriwhi
In my view Britney Speers is a very interesting Woman! She ranks very highly in my books.
She’s a picture of Divine Art!… She has God given Looks and Talent. She’s successful and wealthy.
And buys her man a cool ride!
What a Gal!
“When I look at a beautiful Woman I know there is a God!”
Tim Wikiriwhi
Browsing the NZ Herald yesterday today I noticed an article which claims clinical studies have shown that an infant human beings cry is at such a pitch as to provoke an unusually fast response in Adults.
I found a link to this topic here:
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/babys-cry-triggers-fast-response-20120111-1ptxq.html
Now I want to use this story to point out a very important observation regarding the interpretation of evidence.
Firstly as a bare observable fact, this mechanism for provoking a ‘Fast response’ is quite extraordinary.
The real dilemma for us is when we attempt to conceptualize how such a relationship could come into being.
At face value this ‘relationship’ appears to have a reasoning underpinning it… It looks like a designed order. Thus by looking at such things , to conclude there must be a Wise God, is perfectly rational.
This is what Richard Dawkins means when he confessed… “biology is the study of complicated things that appear to have been designed for a purpose.”
The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 1.
Yet despite this apparent conclusion the article goes on to say…
“Evolution has decided that it is a good thing for us to look after our young, and there is something in the acoustic properties of babies’ cries that evokes a very basic response that appears to be hardwired in ancient parts of our brains,” said Prof Kringelbach.
Do you notice what happened here.? Out of thin air Prof Kringelbach invokes the strong voodoo spirit the atheists call Evolution! “Evolution Decided”. They accredit This dead and blind watchmaker with benevolence… blessing us with all good things.
It is amazing to read the Divine powers Materialist atheists atribute to their mystic power they call ‘Evolution’.
Books on Evolution written to indoctrinate the sheeple have weird titles like ‘The Miracle of life’!!!???
Atheists want you to abandon your inclinations towards concluding that such amazing relationships as exist between Parents and children are Artworks of a purposeful/ meaningful/ All powerful designer… by accepting their 100% fabricated myth which is contrary to what the facts suggest to the rational and open minded thinker!
The Atheists are trying to Smoke you!
They claim Science is on their side. Indeed they swear Science is their God, yet Like wolves in Sheep’s clothing… They love to pontificate wearing white overcoats (The Religious garb of the Atheist priesthood) …to make fools think they are Holy / absolutely objective / absolute masters of scientific truth… when in fact they are so lost in myth and superstition that they may as well have bones through their noses… The white overcoat has become pseudo religious garb of the atheist priesthood.
And the theory of Evolution is one of the greatest delusions ever believed.
I would like to point out that this article would show far greater scientific integrity if they had simply published the results of their studies… and not put in their biased/unscientific opinion/ explanation of Evolution.
It would read something like this. “ Studies have shown that a Babys cry provokes an unusually swift response from adults” .*FULL STOP*
That’s where the Science in this article finishes!
The spiel on evolution that followed afterwards was an add on Bullshit opinion… a personal faith position of the writer…not science at all!
Design is an observable principle in reality. I am typing this post via many products of Design… Not merely the Keyboard and Hard drive, but my very hands, Eyes, and mind.
This goes to prove my argument I have that The entire theory of evolution could be removed, indeed completely thrown out… without harming any real scientific knowledge!
It is an example of how the perverse theory of evolution is unnecessarily thrown over all data, not because of the conclusions drawn from observation… but to thwart the most obvious rationale that is derived from contemplating the ramifications of the data.
The theory of Evolution is a Giant smoke screen, hiding the most stark of truths!
*There is a God* indeed “ The Fool hath said in his heart there is no God” Psalm 14vs1.
This post started out as a comment On Dr Goode’s blog post ‘Is Ron Paul a Libertarian’, yet as it focused on just one aspect of his post, and grew longer and longer by the minute, I decided to make it a post in its own right.
Richard was responding to a Not PC blog post criticising Ron Paul in which he lists a set of ‘Ron Paul positions’ which in Peter’s view are incompatible with Libertarianism. One of these was the fact that Ron Paul is opposed to abortion.
PC is expressing a commonly held view, and because many Christians oppose Abortion and want it recognized as murder, they tend to agree with PC that ‘to be a Libertarian means you must condone abortion’ and therefore conclude from this that ‘No Godly Christian can be a Libertarian’
Today I seek to destroy this false assumption. I have herd Abortion is the most common medical operation performed in New Zealand. A huge number of Woman have had abortions, and so this is a very difficult subject to discuss. It is a Subject many prefer to keep hidden in the shadows.
I am a Christian, and a Libertarian, and I am 100% anti-abortion.
Politically speaking Abortion is one of the most difficult of subjects to deal with.
I think its murder… yet still don’t see how it can be banned, without compromising/destroying some of the most vital principles that underpin a Libertarian government, esp the principle that woman own their own bodies, and that Government is formed by consent…a compact between people of different race, culture, and religion.
As a Christian, I don’t believe a utopian Human government is even possible.
Sinful men in power must be given as little power as possible…thus I certainly do not believe moral salvation is possible via human Legislation. Thus I don’t expect the government to be the solution to all mankind’s woes. Thus I don’t expect the Law to solve the abortion problem. Furthermore if abortion remains legal, there is nothing stopping Christians from publicly expressing their Moral outrage at the practice, and via converting souls to Christ, They convert them to the belief that an unborn child has the God ordained right to life…thus I am saying Christianity (and other anti-abortionists) can still work to convince the population to voluntarily abandon this wicked practice. Christianity operates properly via Liberty…via preaching Godly values…not by lobbying for the political oppression of unbelievers.
In such a society that allows Abortion, Homosexuality, drugs, etc a Christian can still function fully as a Christian. Just because society practices these things, does not violate his rights or liberty, doe not mean he must sanction them, etc. He can deal with these sorts of things as he encounters them… by practicing his faith and following his convictions.
In a society that allows abortion (Like the Status quo) Men can avoid having their children aborted by guarding their seed. Taking care not to impregnate girls whom don’t share the belief that a child’s life is sacred, and first asking for a life long commitment from a girl before impregnating them. This would not Guarantee the marriage, but such a process is at least the honorable course to take, because it shows honest diligence in such a weighty thing as deciding to bring Children into the world.
Sacrificing children to the God Molech.
And Even if Abortion is tolerated in a free society, getting rid of Socialism… and their anti-Christian/ Pro-abortion Nanny State would still be a great improvement on the status quo because the Tax payer would no longer be forced to fund this mass murder against their will. Thus this would then mean those who oppose abortion can exercise their right to completely separate themselves from this practice.
That the government extorts taxes from us by force, and then uses the money to pay for mass extermination of unwanted children is absolutely an intolerable situation.
I would love to put an end to the practice of Abortion. By daily propagating Christian Libertarian values I am working towards that Ideal. I really struggle to believe a social compact between Atheists and theists is possible which includes making abortion illegal. I think The Christian argument against abortion is true, yet inadmissible because it crosses the line between church and state. The social compact being framed in secular terms which are acceptable to all reasonable individuals. (Secular truth is not ‘atheist truth’, but truth that stands by its own merit… (eg Both theists and atheists accept Euclidian geometry…for self evident reasons). I think Christians who go to the Law to solve society’s ills are acting in a very unchristian way. I think Christians who actually think the government can be so constructed as to deliver perfect justice… are deluded…and expect far too much from such an all too human institution.
Finally let me note the fact that Moral virtue springs voluntarily from the Heart… not the Law. Woman are not displaying any virtue by carrying children full term simply because the Law prohibits abortion. Conversely Woman display great virtue when they choose to carry their children full term, when the easy and legal option would be to have an abortion. They are practicing their Humane values as to the sanctity of human life.
In a society that allows abortion, Woman with strong Christian values ought to be revered and courted for marriage far above Godless/ unscrupulous woman… because of their values. Thus in a free society which allows abortion… Godly woman ought to have every advantage over the infidels…and prosper.
A libertarian society is not Utopian. It cannot halt all evils. It cannot foster an angelic society. It is a Compact… a peace treaty between disparate groups and individuals. The compact lays down a minimum of terms by which these disparate groups can coexist in peace… if not harmony. Thus the government is not the font of all justice. It is strictly limited to the agreed terms of the peace treaty, and so many practices will be legal which some members of the society will find abhorrent. Eg Cigarette smoking. To many people Cigarette companies and shops which sell cigarettes are Death dealing murderers… Yet Smoking cigarettes cannot be justly banned according to Libertarian principles. So too with abortion… yet this does not mean that all Libertarians must indorse Abortion, or must submit to it as helpless victims. They can work to reduce it and even completely eradicated it without recourse to political force…via preaching. This is exactly how the Christian Missionaries effectively halted Cannibalism here in the early 1800s. They proved Christian values can overthrow ungodly wickedness. That’s Christianity in action.
The many great evils that would manifest themselves should Abortion be banned is also a heinous prospect. The rise of horrific illegal alleyway abortionism. The tortured existence of unwanted children living with desperate and malicious parents… etc etc. All Children go to Heaven when they die… All aborted children are saved… and even if Abortion is Legal, the Murderers shall not escape justice! All People whom murder their children shall stand before the judgment seat of the Almighty.
For those whom have had abortions there is but one way to escape the wrath of God… That is to call upon the name of Christ. He died to pay the penalty of sin for all whom reach out for Gods grace and mercy.
Many woman whom have had abortions carry a heavy burden of guilt. It is to you that I share this message… You can have the forgiveness of God… if you will but call upon Christ… and you will meet your child again when you go to Heaven!… Because that is where they are… right now.
End Note: I am still working on this issue in my mind…
The Jurisdiction of a libertarian Government is limited. It does not extend over all time, places and people. A NZ Libertarian Government could not protect the rights of people, or convict Criminals for crimes which occur outside the country… and in a sense this is a similar circumstance to the situation of the rights of the unborn child. If a criminal injures a pregnant woman and the child dies, this is a very serious offence, yet they are usually prosecuted for the injury and loss to the woman… not for murder. I don’t like this, yet struggle to find a solution. ?
Tim Wikiriwhi
Update: 15-3-16.
The following video puts a very important question to Pro-abortionist, many of them choosing to avoid answering it because somewhere in their consciences they realise the argument that ‘A fetus is not a person’ absolutely falls apart… and that killing a Baby a day before they are to be born is no different to killing them the day after they are born.
It is a great argument Anti-abortionists have and it makes a very good case that if not at the beginning of pregnancy… that *at some point*… the Law should protect *the rights of the unborn child* from being murdered by their mother… and that an overwhelming majority of people could be convinced that such Laws would be just. (Just to Recap my position… I do believe abortion is murder… yet this post has been all about whether or not it can be banned in a free society without violating the essential principles upon which it hangs).
This argument (below) will still work to end abortion… even when there are no laws to ban it…. by convicting individual consciousness that it is wrong.
And so Anti-abortion folk are not absolutely defeated even when abortion is legal.
They still have the power of reason to convert others to their way of thinking.
Update: 10-2-18
My Blog on this subject I wrote several years ago… Abortion poses a serious dilemma for Libertarianism, and I tended to lean towards preserving a womans sovereignty over her Body… yet this position has been almost too heavy to bear in the light of how legal abortion has turned this into virtual genocidal levels of murder… its an industry… and woman have become so callous about it.
In the dilemma between the Right of the baby to Life, and the womans sovereignty over her body… I believe the Legal weight should be in favour of the innocent children… esp given Woman can prevent themselves from having un-wanted pregnancies by other moral means.
Ever been attacked by an Evil Entity? I have. When I was 17 years old, living in a shed in the middle of Winter I experienced an Entity Attack.
I awoke in the middle of the night to to a feeling of dread. Paralyzed by the terror of an overwhelming Evil presence…I could not even cry out for help. Next It felt like the Being was trying to Possess me by putting its arms inside my arms and its legs inside my legs…putting me on like a suit… then it vanished. I was not a Christian at the time yet the experience bothered me deeply. I didnt talk about it that much. Some people say they had herd that it was a ‘sleep dysfunction’… ie ‘Rational folk’ write off all supernatural experiences as a form of ‘psychosis’.
As a Materialist myself at the time, I most likely chose to accept this non-supernatural interpretation of the event, and quickly forgot about it until Last night Sky TV did a show on the subject. ‘It’ has a name… The Entity Attack Phenomena. And On that show they estimated as many as 30% of all people have experienced it.
Now This interests me because this is a typical example of a real phenomena…possibly a legitimate spiritual experience which is automatically disclaimed by the materialist community as delusional because to admit they are real spiritual events explodes their Materialism to pieces.
Another interesting topic which correlates to this is the Near Death Experience. It has also been experienced by hundreds of people, yet again is written off as delusional by Materialists.
I became a Christian about a year after this experience, I don’t remember it being a factor in my conversion, yet today I do take comfort in the Christian truth that Christ is greater than any demonic Spirit. I still Battle devils in my sleep… as a soldier for Christ.
I am bloging this both to put this freaky experience into the Debating Arena, and fishing for any comments from others whom may have experienced this ‘Entity Attack’, or had a Near Death Experience, or some other Trippy Shit happen to them?
I have a relative whom it was said that he had a ‘Makatu’ hex put on him
Now He is an atheist and struggles to explain what He experienced. He does not talk about it. I asked him… “Do you believe in ghosts? He said ” No!…But Ive seen one…”
He had to get a moari spiritualist to remove it… yet he still maintains his atheism because Spiritualism scares him too much… He must rationalise away his experience via Naturalist sophistry.
Here is a link to an article on this ‘Entity Attack Phenomena”
http://www.mysteriaparanormalevents.co.uk/The-Entity-Attack-Phenomena.html
Here is another one on Incubus and Succubus:
http://www.hellhorror.com/demons/demonology/228/Incubus.html
Update: 23-7-12.
It appears This Satanic Being is murderous!
I just caught the end of a weird TV show ‘A Thousand ways to die’.
I told story about a Hot Chick who suffered regular ‘Nightmares’ in which she would be attacked/ strangled by a An Evil Dwarf-ish being. It Killed her! She died in her Sleep… from a heart attack.
The show said she was just one of hundreds of reported cases of of SUNDS… Sudden unexpected nocturnal death syndrome
Disclaimer: I am not an anti-science Mystic. I am anti-pseudo science. I call for higher standards and greater scientific rigor.
As a Christian, I still endorse the Laws of Physics, and look for natural mechanisms and explanations for phenomena yet also believe not everything in existence, and experience is explainable via materialistic causes and effects… *that is the primary assumption of the atheist Materialist*, which blinds their minds and makes then incapable of conceiving anything is evidence of the supernatural.
They are trapped in their own circular thinking. A prison of their own device.
This is the mindset that writes off everything as delusional which does not fit well with their Godless conception of reality.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
