Check out this Blog post (Below) about the Commy Green Mega scam of ‘Climate change’… all the filthy lucre which funds the Environmental Religion… pretending to be selfless idealists, when in reality they engorge themselves in money stolen via lies and taxation… all the while attacking Freedom and generating propaganda as pseudo-justification of absolute Global Totalitarianism…
“The peculiarity of the global warming lobby is that it is partly funded by governments to lobby governments.
Friends of the Earth received €3,101,245 from the European Union between 2007 and 2009. WWF did better, with €8,794,595.
Between 1998 and 2009, the EU disbursed €66 million to the green lobby. It’s a kind of “you fund us and we’ll keep forecasting climate catastrophe and you can produce green taxes on the basis of our forecasts that scare your citizens”. Some might call this a corrupt relationship. It’s certainly not a healthy one.
Organisations, scientists and governments have so committed themselves to global warming that they need us to keep believing it. Those lucrative funding projects for scientists, those jollies to conferences in five-star hotels to “save the world”, the wind turbines making cash for everyone except us paying energy bills – will all come to an end once the people rumble the climate con.”
Read on… Friends Of The Earth & WWF Recieved Billions From EU To Promote AGW Scam
This is Great Legacy of Hugo Chavez … Socialism Sux Arse!
Same shit, Different town.
Socialism always leads to this!
According to some Migrant friends of mine, In Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, with hyperinflation it was/is cheaper to wipe your arse on their ‘ten dollar bills’ than on a square of dunny roll!
That anyone can still believe in Socialism defies rationality!
It’s Bat shit crazy!
Absolutely Disastrous!
Only Vain Powertrippers and Morons support Socialism!
Read this article…
Bathroom Blues: Venezuela’s Toilet Paper Crisis
“Venezuelans are used to going without staples like milk, coffee and butter, thanks to the country’s frequent food shortages. But now they’re dealing with a much more urgent crisis: a lack of toilet paper.
Stores have run out, and each new delivery sees a rush on supermarkets. The demand is so great the government has now been forced to order 50 million rolls to appease desperate shoppers. One woman standing in line at a Caracas supermarket that received a fresh delivery told the Associated Press that she had been scouring the capital city’s shops for two weeks. “Even at my age, I’ve never seen this,” another, 70-year-old shopper told Sky News.”
I have been asked what my opinion is on how we should endeavour to End Treaty separatism, and racist law and government.
What follows are my first thoughts on this matter.
I present them for discussion.
With the Separatists working to expand the separatist electoral system and Seats, and the National and Maori Party working to establish a Racist constitution this issue is reaching Diabolical heights!
This single issue is perhaps the most virulent political evil undermining justice and order in our nation today.
It is serious enough to focus all energy into fighting this single issue.
It will take the greatest Statesmanship to win the battle against this racist tyranny.
Do we possess enough Enlightened and skilled Individuals to lead the way?
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One of the biggest problems which must be overcome if we are to end Treaty Separatism and establish Racial equality in Law and Government, is finding means to unify all the disparate ‘types’ of New Zealanders who hold many various and confliction political Ideals, yet share the singular common desire to establish racial equality before the Law.
This problem is in my view the greatest hurdle we face.
It is greater than the resistance of the Separatists themselves, because unless we come up with a formula for unity we wont even get a movement off the ground.
Unity is essential!
I can think of nothing worse than a splintered Factional resistance to treaty separatism in which energy is wasted attacking each other, and destroying each others efforts out of a desire to monopolize and dominate rather than doing the more wise thing of subordinating our differences for the sake of the Higher Cause and taking the fight to the real enemy… who by the way are not *All Maori* but that minority of vested interests whom seek to maintain the political advantages they enjoy from Apartheid government.
This problem of Disunity is very acute.
It has already destroyed Identical movements in the not too distant past.
And it is rearing it’s ugly head yet again.
To End Treaty Separatism, it is essential we work to win over the hearts and minds of the average Maori as well as the average non-Maori , and this will take great diplomacy and skill. Great honesty, and a clear demonstration that we really care about their well being, and that we speak with sincerity when we say that Maori have nothing to fear… in the sense of real justice… form the establishment of a system of racial equality, and the surrender of the apartheid electoral system.
We need to show them how this apartheid system has indeed worked against them as much as everyone else.
We need to get them to appreciate that the separatists… though they pretend to have the average Maori’s interest at heart, that in reality their politics has negative consequences for the Maori people, and is a blight upon their Mana.
Furthermore though we must be forthright about how this situation arose, and how the Labour and National parties have bent over backwards to appease the separatists holding the Maori seats… none the less we need to take care not to absolutely alienate Labour or National voters from our cause.
We need to do the opposite!
We need to orchestrate things so that Labour and National actually start bending over backwards …attempting to out do each other in *refusing to pander to the separatists…* and attempt to outdo each other in forming strategies and policies to get rid of treaty separatism, get rid of the race based electoral system, and establish Equality before the Law.
This reversal can be achieved via wise activism.
Those of us ‘in the know’ must be prepared to go and speak at Labour and National party meetings, and publish articles etc which encourage these parties to make clear non-negotiable policy statements before elections that they will no longer form coalitions with Racist parties.
They will do this like clockwork…when they tally the numbers and appreciate their election chances are better from make such pre-election statements than from hedging their bets… and keeping the door open to further sell our country to the separatists.
We can rely on this because this is their primary modus opperandi!
And history vindicates my assertion as this situation actually happened when Don Brash challenged Helen Clark after his Orewa 1 speech, Helen Clark only winning by election fraud Re: The Pledgecard, and by the injured vanity and pride of Winston Peters at having been ousted from his Tauranga seat by National… and him choosing to accept the Baubles of Power… from Helen Clark… despite having stood himself on and anti separatism ticket!
These factors robbed Don Brash of his shot at being PM and took away his opportunity to make good on his promises to shut the door on the bogus Treaty reparations…get rid of the Separate Electoral roll and seats in parliament, and establish One Law for all.
2005 was one of the Blackest elections in the History of our Nation!
We came so close to having the opportunity to begin undoing The Grievance industry, and End Treaty separatism, and Racist Law and government.
I have much more to say on what happened at this time.
Why Don Brash decided it was a good time for National to make such a policy.
What effect that had on Hellen Clark and her scramble to recover from being left exposed as the Party of separatist appeasement… why she abandoned her ‘Closing the gaps’ Flagship, why she angered the separatists in her midst, Tariana Turia and co over the seabed and foreshore bill enough to jettison them from Labour… etc.
The dynamics of this period are rich with gems as to how our corrupt race based democracy functions, and what we must do to make the pragmatists of National and Labour again struggle to out do each other … for the sake of winning a majority in the elections…and again synthesize speeches like Orewa 1.
One of the Biggest problems for the Cause of Equality, is that we who seek to End Waitangi apartheid are divided upon what is the actual solution!
Many are adverse to the institution of a constitution which out laws Parliament from making race based laws.
I think that is a grave error…. one which exposes fundamental flaws in their Political outlook… none the less to keep the peace with such ‘Anti-constitutionalist’ democrats, I have come up with an idea which may work.
It is the promotion of the Independent Constitutional review panel’s
‘Declaration of Racial Equality’, coupled to a demand to abolish the race based electoral system.
These two propositions can be the points of unification.
They can be promoted independently, and via the creation of a united lobby group, which can try and sell the idea to all parties including Labour and National voters, and the cause could also be helped via the creation of a single issue party whose single policy is to win seats in parliament and gain the balance of power, and to give agreement to confidence and supply upon either National or Labour… depending upon which one better resolves to get rid of the separatist seats and electoral rolls and enshrine the Declaration of Racial equality as Law, nullifying all race based laws and government institutions, and forbidding any new race based government innovations.
All other issues either being matters of conscience for the Party Mps in the house, or completely abstained from.
This being essential to maintain the unity of the party and avoid the divisions which such issues of a written constitution, or binding referendums cause.
And this approach would also need to be the general position of the Lobby group too.
It ought not to singularly endorse any party, but all Parties and individuals standing for election whom express their stand on ending State racism.
The Lobby ought to analyze every candidate, and quiz them on their position, and inform the electorates of whom stands for what…. which candidate the voters who want equality ought to support, and who they ought to vocally condemn.
The Lobby group would need to make this point clear to all members… that it is not a party political vehicle, and that any endorsements for any party or individual is strictly based upon that party’s determination to enact the Lobby groups objectives.
It ought to allow any Party materials to be displayed which promote Racial equality before the law. The primary purposes of the Lobby being to unite New Zealanders and inform them of who represents Racial equality, and who does not.
This actually means that even if that shyster Winston Peters actually stands of election on the ticket of ending Waitangi apartheid the lobby group ought to recognise the fact… and tell his supporters to make sure he doe’s not reneg on that policy… and insist that he makes it a not negotiable condition of any NZ First coalition.
It is that sort of Pre- election policy statement that the Lobby group ought to be trying to solicit from every party.
Should they not be prepared to make such clear statements, the Lobby group should encourage their members to forsake these parties and join one which has more Backbone.
The Lobby could Rank parties by both their policy, and the commitment they display before the election to ending Racist government… what priority they themselves place upon this issue.
This ranking should be in a prominent place on any website or printed materials.
Tim Wikiriwhi
From my perspective, I think these things are essential.
Anything less will result in infighting and fragmentation.
From personal observation I have seen how deeply divided the activists for Racial equality are on other issues…the depth of acrimony is acute in the extreme… and unless we separate these differences and focus on our few unifying ideas, the Separatists have little to fear from us who seek to end their Political advantage.
We will be too busy fighting ourselves and destroying ourselves… and the people of New Zealand will see this and never support any of us!
We must take extreme care to ‘Endeavour to maintain the unity of the spirit’…and guard against the petty minded whom will insist upon creating unnecessary divisions because of their pig headed demand to have everything their own way.
The above recipe is far from being a full exposition of what I would personally like to see achieved (which includes the institution of a proper constitution), thus this strategy demonstrates the reality that I am ‘practicing what I preach,’ in submitting to the notion of the Declaration and abolishment of the Racist electoral system as being two giant steps in the right direction, and putting my constitutional desires on the back burner… at least while I am wearing my ‘Lobby group hat’.
In private I understand we are all free to speak our minds and to support whatever political party we desire!
Right now, I could walk about with my undies all bunched up… cursing all those whom now say they want equality that they did not support the Libertarianz Party ten years ago!
I could react to their derogatory remarks I hear against the Libertarianz party… from people whom bleat about taxes, and about Treaty separatism, yet in the past have supported the Parties responsible for these very evils!
Yet I am determined to resist such urges for the sake of this essential cause and to conduct myself by example…
While it is true to say that the Libertarianz Party is blameless in respect to treaty separatism and socialism in general… none the less when any such designs to steer the lobby group away from supporting any particular party which has a policy of ending separatism… cannot be tolerated… from representatives of the Lobby when they are wearing their Lobby Hats.
That must be reserved for either their private communications or their personal party activism.
I despair at the thought of how few people will be capable of maintaining such a high Ideal… of subordinating their personal prejudices for the sake of this most important of values and essential principles of Justice!
Will we be able to create these vehicles which can become the locus for change, and win over the hearts and minds of our country?
Pipe dreams?
A running joke amongst the separatists?
When enacted the Declaration of Racial Equality will become ‘a mini-constitution’ which will in fact restore the true principle of the treaty of Waitangi! *Equality… and oneness!*
We will need Big money to fund events and buy regular spots in the Papers for our articles.
This will mean soliciting regular donations from members of the Lobby… $10, $20,… per week per person.
These are my thoughts on how we ought to approach the task of Ending Waitangi apartheid.
The only question is do we have Individuals of the requisite caliber, and a team work ethic… a spirit of fraternity strong enough to summit this peak?
I myself am awaiting what develops before I commit to any particular aspect of this movement, and thus will continue to function as an Independent Libertarian until such time that for the sake of the cause I dedicate myself to some other roll.
And like many of my Libertarian comrades whom have so bravely stood against Waitangi separatism for years, I am more concerned about my Political principles making it into Parliament than phyisically getting a seat there myself.
If I need to carry the flag all the way… I will endeavor to do so.
I will be most happy indeed if Ending treaty separatism again becomes the ‘Flagship’ of the National
Party… or even of the Labour party… and even of such contemptible Oligochaeta as Winston First!
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^^^Important Caveat:
Hey dont get confused!
This is my personal blogpost and I am speaking as a Private citizen… not as a spokesperson for this theoretical Lobby group I have proposed above, and Winston has never apologised for his despicable sell out… which kept us enslaved under apartheid!
He deserves to be called out on this and held accountable!
This is still a Radical Christian Libertarian Blog… not a impartial ‘single issue’ lobby group webpage.
Comprendo????
Such a website…such a Lobby are only hypothetical at present.
Update: 19-5-13
It really is a Gigantic task which sends trembles down the spine.
I am thinking we need to start at the start… and that may be quite different to how we end up operating once we gain our stride, for example I think we would at first need to attract a hardcore group of desperados and first go on the offensive against Labour…against the Nats, Greens, etc,… to get that base of resolute Stalwarts, but then be wise enough to hold out the olive branch to these big parties and attempt to win them over to our way of thinking, and to the degree that they move in the right direction is the degree by which we ought to become more conciliatory to them… I cannot help but think that the only way we will succeed is if we win over at least one of the Big parties to our cause… and they could be aided by the coalition of a minor single issue Racial equality party.
This ‘juggling act’ will take extreme skill in leadership to pull off as some of the supporters of One Law for all will not want to deal with National… others will not wish to deal with Labour, and others will not wish to deal with either.
Tim Wikiriwhi introducing John Ansell at the Waikato TREATYGATE Presentation, Thursday 16 May, at the Celebrating Age Centre in Hamilton.
Report:
Though I had planned this meeting for over two months, it was typical for me to be still hurriedly typing out script mere minutes before I was to deliver them.
Libertarians Peter Creswell and Robert Palmer traveled down from Auckland to give John and myself some moral support, and they listened to my only practice delivery from a ruff draft… as they enjoyed an Epic Stout.
They offered me several good improvements, before heading downtown.
I had written much more than what I delivered.
This is a subject I am passionate about yet my speech was only an introduction and personal endorsement of John Ansell’s TREATYGATE presentation which he is busy delivering about the country…. So unfortunately though there was much which I would have liked to have said… many things which may have helped Maori People to better appreciate why I support John, there was no time for me to do so.
I would like to thank everyone who helped John and myself make this event happen… those who contributed donations, those who came to the meeting in support (I got to meet some of my face book friends!), those who helped set up the hall, the Waikato Times, and Hamilton News staff, and others who helped me with advertising, sound systems, etc.
It was great to see Allan Titford, his new partner and child who traveled quite a distance to support us.
I estimate there were 60 people in attendance which is not bad for a political meeting.
The Waikato Times had a reporter there.
And our ads reached many thousands of People who, though they never attended the presentation, will know that there are Activists afoot, working to end Waitangi Separatism and establish racial equality before the law.
This is a mammoth task and every event like this held in the name of ending the shameful travesty of Watangi apartheid and the grievance industry… all helps.
The evening ended at the House Bar, yarning, joking, and drinking Pitch Black Stout from the Tap. One of the manifold blessings of British Colonisation!
Very nice!
My speech follows…
…And below that… is a link to a Waikato Times/ Stuff article on our Hamilton Treatygate meeting, and subject matter, and I make a few observations about comments it contains from a Waikato University ‘Treaty expert’ the Times also interviewed for the article.
My Speech…
“Good evening Ladies and gentlemen.
It is great to see you.
Thank you for coming.
I know many of you have traveled some distance to be here.
Your support is very much appreciated.
My name is Tim Wikiriwhi,
I live here in Hamilton, and work as a self employed contract engineer,
and it has been my pleasure to organize tonight’s meeting, for John Ansell to deliver his Treatygate message to you.
John is a very brave Pakeha, that is to say he is a brave New Zealander.
He will be speaking tonight for about an hour on one of the most important issues facing our Nation at present.
I myself have been involved in politics for well over a decade, and spoken many times around the North island on the ever worsening evils of Treaty separatism, Maori Radicalism, and our shameful Apartheid laws and government.
I hope that while you are here tonight John and I are able to communicate the gravity of our current political situation, and the race relations crisis which has been systematically manufactured because of an Evil ideology, which has taken full advantage of some serious faults in our democratic system.
I hope we impress on you the urgency and dire need for the people of New Zealand to Rally, and to organize ourselves into an Irate lobby determined to rid ourselves of these cancerous growths… and establish racial equality before the Law.
The shear scale of the Political extortion…Hundreds and hundreds of millions of Dollars! The utter Fabrications and falsifications of our colonial history by which a collective guilt trip has been heaved upon the backs of Non-Moari New Zealanders …so successfully, that they quietly submit to this Extortion, and tolerate being rendered second class subjects in their own country.
I say We must smash the Anti-colonialist lie that stupefies so many New Zealanders into believing they have less right to Fully enjoy this country, than their neighbor who has a fraction of Maori DNA.
Now the fact that Race based Law is a travesty of justice should not really be News to anyone.
Who does not know about the times of Slavery and Segregation in America?
Who has not herd about Apartheid in South Africa’s recent past?
Many Kiwi already know that the Law should not discriminate because of race.
The trouble is that so few of us actually have the courage to stand up in public say it!
New Zealanders actually allow their government to mass produce Racist law and give away millions of Tax dollars all because they have been deceived by a massive political propaganda campaign!
The Lying racist Radicals use intimidation and the Anti colonial guilt trip to dominate and steer our country towards every deeper Racial separatism, and Rapine…. And the power-hungry socialists of both the Labour and National parties have made bargains with these racist radicals for the sake of securing Election victory…time and time again.
Thus our Government has been utterly corrupted and used to indoctrinate New Zealanders, both Maori and non-Maori into thinking that it is the fault of others that the so many Maori are violent criminals.
The Radicals want you Pakeha to continue to believe it is actually your fault that so many Maori suffer Ill health… live in poverty…. are in low paid jobs, or wallow in welfare dependence.
Well John Ansell has figured out what a crock that all is and he has the Balls to stand up and say … “Get Real!”
John forthrightly declares “Im A Pakeha and I refuse to accept any such guilt!”
“I demand My equal Rights!”
I demand an end to the extortion, an end to the State Racism.
I want to live in a country of Racial equality before the Law!”
You see John has figured out that He’s not to blame for any of that Maori misery…and that he’s got nothing to be ashamed of…being a Pakeha…. And that if anyone is to blame for the misery of Maori today it surely must be the individuals themselves, who have allowed themselves to become depended upon welfare, not bothered to gain the necessary skills to compete with Non-Maori in the Job market… Skills which are essential to provide them with a decent income in a modern free society… and Blame also may be squarely laid at the feet of the racist radicals whose Toxic and hateful lies have fill so many Maori heads with a Victim mentality and vile racism… preventing them from taking ownership of their own problems, and appreciating their own self responsibility for climbing out of this misery they have created for themselves.
Until they do, no amount of special rights, no amount of Welfare will save them.
It’s time for me to hand over the mic To John.
I want to finish by saying… Lets rally together and get rid of the Racist electoral rolls and race based seats in parliament which are a pox and a shame upon our democracy, and PLEASE do not allow the separatists to establish a new racist constitution.
They must be stopped at all costs.
.I now give the floor to John.
Thank you for listening.”
End
Tim Wikiriwhi.
‘Maori Libertarian’
John Ansell and Tim Wikiriwhi in Tim’s Man Cave/ Library. Hamilton 15-5-13
I would like to make a few comments on this article…
Observe…
‘Angeline Greensill teaches Treaty issues at Waikato University and she would be interested in who would attend the meeting.
”It’s the sort of thing I would normally ignore but it’ll be interesting to see who does turn up and who is taken in by this type of stuff. I ned to be aware of that.”
She said Mr Wikiriwhi has a history of throwing his beliefs out to ”a misinformed public. She said people should learn the difference between rights and privileges and rights and obligations.
”It is not a privilege. Maori are tangata whenua of this country and there was an agreement signed that was never kept and it was an agreement about rights.
”They are getting things because they have a right to them. They have a property right like anyone else except they have to fight for them.”
End quote:
^^^ I say Angeline has provided us (above) with a perfect example of the sort of Socialist Academics our Government hires to indoctrinate our young people!
Note how she calls into question the mentality and character of those whom thought John and My own message against her Political indoctrinations of Treaty separatism was worth hearing!
Note how she blatantly suggests that the treaty enslaves Non-Maori to certain ‘moral obligations’ (Read Money, Power, Political favouritism, etc)… simply because the Modern Radical separatists claim Maori to be ‘Tangata Whenua’…which is of course an absolute lie, and part of the Modern Re-fabrication of New Zealand history and perversion of The Treaty!
Maori of old were proud to say they were Migrant Colonists too!
The ‘Tangata Whenua’ were the People living here already when Maori arrived!
Yet why let the truth get in the way of your Political vested interests… when a lie suits so much better… Aye?
Lets label those who dare speak the truth troublemakers, and Racists, and Mad men!
Thank you Angeline Greensill for clearly exposing your agenda for all to see.
Thank you for demonstrating just how evil it is to allow the Government to control the Education of our nation!
I only wish that New Zealanders would wake up to why the Government ought never be allowed to control such a vast engine of indoctrination, propaganda, and mass manipulation.
Too many people who understand that Government ought to be banned from producing racist laws, fail to understand Treaty separatism clearly demonstrates the Libertarian principle that the State must also be separated from Education, because it has been via state control of the education system, which has given the Socialist Political parties the ablity to use the education system to imprint their political agenda directly into the public mind, by hiring such socialist racist academics as Angeline Greesill and deploys them into our schools and universities to directly brainwash our people into accepting the vile rehash of our Pioneering colonial history and the separatist ideology behind our Apartheid system.
They also do this with their Green Agenda, Re Man Made Climate change, the Theory of Evolution, Socialist ecomonic theory, etc etc… all designed to delude the sheeple into supporting their Heavy Taxation, their Nannyism, their Totalitarianism… and to fear/ hate Freedom.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
Libertarian Independent.
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (NIV)
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (NIV)
Yesterday someone broke into my house and stole my iMac, some laptops, cash, an X box and a few other things.
Luke 6:29
Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.
I’m not concerned about the loss… but yeah… I’m not really feeling this scripture (Tim, please tell me this one is part of an irrelevant dispensation 🙂 )
A christian friend said hearing about the theft made him angry – I don’t want to be angry. How should I, or any Christian, react to being robbed?
On a personal level I’m unsure of how to react but on a political level I find things much more straight forward – when a person steals another person’s property the thief should have to repay the victim the value of the stolen goods plus a penalty proportionate to the value of the stolen goods.
Proverbs 6:30-31
People do not despise a thief if he steals to satisfy his hunger when he is starving.
Yet if he is caught, he must pay sevenfold, though it costs him all the wealth of his house.
It’s often said that criminals have a debt to society but this is incorrect – criminals have a debt to their victims and when possible penalties should be given with the aim of restoring victims. When restitution is not possible then even selling a person into slavery is justified.
Exodus 22:1-4
Whoever steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it must pay back five head of cattle for the ox and four sheep for the sheep.
If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed.
Anyone who steals must certainly make restitution, but if they have nothing, they must be sold to pay for their theft. If the stolen animal is found alive in their possession—whether ox or donkey or sheep—they must pay back double.
I hope this post provokes a robust discussion. Unfortunately I may be limited to making follow up comments using my smartphone. 🙂
In this video from the 2012 Asia Consciousness Festival, AI researcher Ben Goertzel says
Imagine you had a collective of people, or they could be people and AIs, or some of them could be cyborgs (the people with brains jacked in to the computers), and imagine that they’re concerned with a number of things …
First, they’re concerned with measuring each other’s brain states and making scientific theories about what they observe …
Second, they observe more in the manner of a group of people meditating together, they’re actually subjectively perceiving each other’s consciousness while they’re doing this and so they can both measure each other’s states of consciousness empirically and neurally, or digitally if they’re AIs, and they can subjectively enter into collective mind states …
But there’s another ingredient, human beings have the annoying property that if you cut open our heads and mess with our brains we tend to die or become gibbering idiots or something but a computer program won’t necessarily have this feature and with molecular nanotechnology humans won’t necessarily have this feature either, so …
You can imagine this sort of ashram of consciousness scientists who are studying each other’s brains and minds and experiencing each other’s states of consciousness in a very refined way …
You can imagine this happening in a situation where the members of this community could actually alter and adjust each other’s brains experimentally and dynamically during the collective process…
Now, what you see here is the possibility of some form of collective understanding going beyond science as we have it now and going beyond religion as we have it now. Whether you can get this new form of understanding using humans as we exist now I’m not sure. It’s easy to envision with the AIs and cyborgs in the mix.
Artificial minds will be such that they can readily fuse into a single mind, or fissure into many separate minds. I suppose that in principle fission is easy, but that fusion is more problematic. An artificial mind may fissure into multiple separate minds, with the intent of fusing back into a single mind some time later, but the newly begotten minds, once split off, may have other ideas.
Here‘s what C. S. Lewis has to say about the super-personal God of the Trinity.
A good many people nowadays say, `I believe in a God, but not in a personal God.’ They feel that the mysterious something which is behind all other things must be more than a person. Now the Christians quite agree. But the Christians are the only people who offer any idea of what a being that is beyond personality could be like. All the other people, though they say that God is beyond personality, really think of Him as something impersonal: that is, as something less than personal. If you are looking for something super-personal, something more than a person, then it is not a question of choosing between the Christian idea and the other ideas. The Christian idea is the only one on the market.
Again, some people think that after this life, or perhaps after several lives, human souls will be ‘absorbed’ into God. But when they try to explain what they mean, they seem to be thinking of our being absorbed into God as one material thing is absorbed into another. They say it is like a drop of water slipping into the sea. But of course that is the end of the drop. If that is what happens to us, then being absorbed is the same as ceasing to exist. It is only the Christians who have any idea of how human souls can be taken into the life of God and yet remain themselves—in fact, be very much more themselves than they were before.
… The whole purpose for which we exist is to be thus taken into the life of God. Wrong ideas about what that life is will make it harder. And now, for a few minutes, I must ask you to follow rather carefully.
You know that in space you can move in three ways – to left or right, backwards or forwards, up or down. Every direction is either one of these three or a compromise between them. They are called the three Dimensions. Now notice :his. If you are using only one dimension, you could draw only a straight line. If you are using two; you could draw a figure: say, a square. And a square is made up of four straight lines. Now a step further. If you have three dimensions, you can then build what we call a solid body: say, a cube – a thing like a dice or a lump of sugar. And a cube is made up of six squares.
Do you see the point? A world of one dimension would be a straight line. In a two-dimensional world, you still get straight lines, but many lines make one figure. In a three-dimensional world, you still get figures but many figures make one solid body. In other words, as you advance to more real and more complicated levels, you do not leave behind you the things you found on the simpler levels: you still have them, but combined in new ways – in ways you could not imagine if you knew only the simpler levels.
Now the Christian account of God involves just the same principle. The human level is a simple and rather empty level. On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two separate beings – just as, in two dimensions (say on a flat sheet of paper) one square is one figure, and any two squares are two separate figures. On the Divine level you still find personalities; but up there you find them combined in new ways which we, who do not live on that level, cannot imagine. In God’s dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one Being, just as a cube is six squares while remaining one cube. Of course we cannot fully conceive a Being like that: just as, if we were so made that we perceived only two dimensions in space we could never properly imagine a cube. But we can get a sort of faint notion of it. And when we do, we are then, for the first time in our lives, getting some positive idea, however faint, of something super-personal – something more than a person. It is something we could never have guessed, and yet, once we have been told, one almost feels one ought to have been able to guess it because it fits in so well with all the things we know already.
Is the mind of God like that of an AI? When, ultimately, we are “taken into the life of God,” do we become thee- or four-dimensional facets of the multi-dimensional being that is God? When God invaded his own creation, by sending his only begotten son to incarnate as a human being, was that a case of fission? I suggest that the person of Jesus was entirely separate from the person of his father when, on the cross, Jesus cried out, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Update: 18-5-13. Here: is a link to a short ‘The NZ Initiative’ article on the Bill English’s 2013 Budget which mentions New Zealand’s own ‘Fiscal Timebomb’ which brings home the realities of what NewsWeek is saying about the British Socialist Collapse.
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Mercy, like charity, has been socialised in the western world and is not a virtue as it is normally practiced.
When the government forcibly takes money from taxpayers and doles it out to whom it pleases the virtue of charity has been removed. Neither the true giver nor the receiver benefit. Those that support this redistribution deceive themselves thinking that they are generous.
Similarly, when the government doles out light punishments to whom it pleases the virtue of mercy has been removed. Neither the victim nor the offender benefit. Those that support light sentences deceive themselves thinking that they are merciful.
Of course, true mercy is a virtue but that comes from the victims of injustice.
What if some day or night a demon were to steal into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: “This life as you now live it and have lived it you will have to live once again and innumerable times again; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unspeakably small or great in your life must return to you, all in the same succession and sequence—even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned over again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!” Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: “You are a god, and never have I heard anything more divine.” If this thought gained power over you, as you are it would transform and possibly crush you; the question in each and every thing, “Do you want this again and innumerable times again?” would lie on your actions as the heaviest weight! Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to long for nothing more fervently than for this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal?
