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Good Friday 16: When Friends who once were fun and cool become annoying nagging Christians!

First Draft: I will work on this and develop it into a much smoother and informative piece.

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My Internet commentary and blogging have all been of very poor quality in recent months due to my sleep biorhythms being way out of whack… and I was thinking about how today… Good Friday being the traditional day that western Civilisation remembers the Crucifixion of Christ ought to be a Day that I release some Profound Blog post… given that Christs Crucifixion is supposed to hold such a high place in my personal convictions… yet the truth is I almost could not be bothered to write anything.
Thinking about this some more, I contemplate how much of this is due to my own lack of energy, how much of it has to do with simple apathy… etc… and one other factor came to mind that I think is worthy of making the topic for my 2016 Good Friday rant… because it must rank as the number 1 reason I struggle to find motivation to talk about one of the most important realities of all time…
It is the Hardness of Hearts… the coldness… the depth of Anti-Christ hatred that Christians face whenever they attempt to share their faith… and this hatred hurts the most when it comes from Family and friends… who simply dont want to know.
Having been on both sides of the fence I can sympathize with both camps.

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I understand this confrontation and why the animosity exists (predominantly on the infidel side) … yet also why Christians can be annoyingly persistent, and I believe it is very worth spending some time looking at it.
In the Post-christian Era there has arisen a very unhealthy custom that says Religion and Politics are forbidden subjects to discuss.
It is said that you can believe whatever you want… just keep your mouth shut about it… it is said that ‘Christians’ dont have the right ‘to shove their beliefs down other peoples throats’… yet that same rule does not apply to atheism and the myth of evolution… the adherents of which assert they do have right to shove their atheism down everyone’s throats 24/7… under the excuse and assertion that *these are not religious ideas* but true scientific facts… and as any enlightened person will tell you… Truth and Science must never be muzzled … and anyone who complains must be *anti-science*.

The Duplicity in all this *never occurs* to the Atheist Antichrist.
It certainly did not occur to me when I was a militant atheist.
Reason was *my Ally* I assured myself!
I saw no reason for *me* to listen… be patient… or moderate my responses.
I supposed Religion to be the very definition of Hocus Pocus!
So believe me when I say I empathize with you unbelievers… I know your thoughts…

It never occurs to these ‘victims of religious persecution’ … that involuntarily suffer the onslaught of preachers… that they themselves could possibly be the ones who are superstitious, or that their claims of enlightened objectivity and defense of Freedom and truth… may in realty be nothing of the sort… but instead extremely naive, bigoted, highly Subjective and poorly grounded assumptions… or that such an edifice of assumption could possibly harbor deeper psychological and Moral antagonism to what they imagine as the unbearable ramifications for anyone who would even consider seriously contemplating the plausibility of Christianity as being true.
They make sure that any such confrontations with religious types are kept to an absolute minimum… and if employing some rudeness is necessary to hint at what a waste of time any further conversation on these topics will be… well then… the end justifies the means.

The Christian seeking to share the gospel is up against psychological bents that Close minds tight, and hardens hearts to stone… a hell bet determination to *Never to contemplate life* through the Christian Lens.

Naturally most Infidels recoil at the very notion of self-imposing *any rules and regulations* upon their Libertine desires and selfish ambitions… their universe is morally Sterile.

Read: Nyctophilia: Hiding in the Dark….
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To such closed Minds the whole theistic Paradigm is completely Foreign… talking about religious concepts is like talking about an alien planet … speaking Klingon… about a completely make-believe dimension… a supernatural dimension.
They are sure that *in the real universe in which we live*… there are no spirits… Prayers dont work…. People cant rise from the dead…. and any talk of God/ Gods/ devils must be the invention of either deluded or devious Idol makers.
It never occurs to them that *Their materialist view of reality* is itself a completely manufactured religious belief and maintained by the very *closed mindedness* that they employ to shut down Christians… a determination never to seriously entertain any arguments Christians employ*… and so it is not necessary to properly analyse any criticism about any so-called scientific evidence for Atheistic Evolution… for it simply *has to be true*… the alternative is too fantastic… too unimaginably horrible to contemplate.

I will hazard to guess that the very length of this Blogpost … on this topic … will be too much to bear for most Atheists whom have the misfortune of stumbling upon it…. such is their apathy towards this Topic… which should in fact be held with the supreme importance that it deserves… yet they will insist this topic deserves about the same amount of diligence as contemplating the possibility that the tooth faerie is real.
Satan Laughing spreads his wings.
People who harbor such incredulity have an impregnable wall around their minds.
They dismiss God with a flick of their wrists and are more concerned about how their favorite sports team is doing.

Read: Eeewww! I’m not reading that book! It’s got Jesus on the cover!

That is how fickle a foundation the edifice of atheism stands upon in the minds of the great herd… most of them suffer from self imposed intellectual incapacity… they cannot take the subject seriously… at least not on an objective level.
Mostly when they choose to discuss Religion and the existence of God, they seek to force the discussion down a channel that they think re-affirms and validates their psychological need to reject the Christian religion.
“All Wars are caused by Religion”… “Catholic Priests are all pedophiles” ….”Hell was invented to scare people into paying money to the church*…. etc etc
These sorts of Statements don’t bear up under scrutiny and investigation. To the degree that they hold any water at all.. they simply *don’t disprove the Bible or the existence of God*… yet in spite of this observation being true it remains no concern to people who have no intention whatsoever of seriously contemplating the issues. They are smug in their conceits.
Talk to the hand!

Who is trying to convert them into becoming a Pew warming, Pope worshiping pedophile anyway???? No way Jose!
Such are the fantastical images that flash though the atheist mind…. chilling them to the bone.
Their caricature of what a God Botherer is and what that would mean if they themselves were ever to convert!
The Christian is an object of Contempt.

Meanwhile they also be like…. That Guys not a real Christian! whenever they meet real Christians who don’t fit the Bogus Caricature they maintain is what being a Christian is.
Whenever they appear normal, balanced, intelligent, etc.

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And irrespective of all this (and much more)… is there not a basic human right to be allowed to ignore religion?
Is it not disrespectful for Christians to try and peddle their wares … like salesmen sell flies… to people who dont want to buy?
To which I answer with an limited affirmation… yes… people are allowed to ignore Christians… they are allowed to exercise their religious liberty… that are even free to believe whatever silly things they like… as long as they do so peacefully.

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It is in this environment that the Christian must co-exist in peace with his neighbors, and it is the challenge that this great wall of antagonism that anyone who contemplates sharing the Gospel must face… and it is a daunting task… one that can sap the enthusiasm for the gospel right out of you…. door after door slamming in your face… insult upon insult… for infinity.
*Here we have arrived at some explanation as to why I struggled to bother writing a Good Friday post for today*… why bother when nobody wants to know?

Well ye Infidels… let me cut past a million good explanations and finally answer why A Good friend can become a pesky and annoying Christian… who talks about Miracles, Death, Judgement, etc…. Primarily it is because they care for you!
*They Know* you are blindly walking down the road to destruction.
*And people who care…. true friends… are prepared to be unpopular… are prepared to risk ridicule… *for your sake*… not theirs.
You see that though the Christian has been called by God to share the Gospel, he has also been told *Not to cast pearls before swine*… which means *Dont waste time preaching to people whom behave like pigs… who hate/ despise God and the truth*…. for they will not respect it… but will tread it into the Mud and filth in which they wallow.

So the Christian ought to take extreme care in how he seeks to share his faith and help his friends and loved ones see the light and be saved.
This is the virtue of Meekness… not to be confused with weakness.
In fact Bible thumping Fanatics Do the Christian Gospel a great dis-service when they act militantly, or form Lobby groups that seek the government to impose their beliefs upon others by force of Law… and pay for their schemes by force of Taxation.
It takes Great strength of character to be a successful winner of souls… To hold strong religious convictions, yet still have a soft heart motivated by Love and grace rather than Over-zealous Piety and indignation.
I quite often slip into my bad habit on pouring condescension upon others with whom I have lost patience, or detect traits that I detest. Yet this most often is a sign of my own weakness of character… that I often excuse… because I’m tired.
Yet the Truth is such behavior drives people away from Christ and re-affirms all their negative assumptions about Christianity.
I know I will hang my head in shame on the day that I learn just how many souls my own wickedness and folly has turned people away from Christ.

*Yet still Unbelievers just dont understand that all the bad behavior, hypocrisy, and fakery that Christians are guilty of does not diminish the objective truth of the Bible.

Jesus was not Crucified on a Friday, but on a Wednesday… and while Christians may argue about such things… does not detract from the truth and reliability of the scriptures.
*You are simply making the mistake of judging the Divine truth… by the follies of human beings.*

And so it is a Historic Fact that Jesus was Crucified… because he was betrayed by the Jewish Religious authorities to the Roman OverLords because they thought he was subverting the people from following the Religious traditions and Authority of their Priestly Hierarchy… He had refused to endorse them but instead exposed them as Vipers and hypocrites who taught religious lies.

God allowed their evil ambitions to be fulfilled… because in so doing, it not only proved the truthfulness of the prophecies within the scriptures, but also was part of Gods spectacular secret agenda to Redeem mankind from their Sins!
Christ as The Sinless Lamb of God took upon himself the penalty of our sins (death) and died for us, so that God could then show mercy and grace to whosoever realises their own pitiful miserable sinfulness and desired God to forgive them and save them from the just punishment their wickedness deserves…. eternal separation from God.

Many people find the message of the cross an abhorrent thing… and it is… yet it’s abhorrence correlates perfectly with the wickedness of the world for which was the both the cause and reason for it happening!
It is a testament to how we come to terms with how seriously God weighs our Sins, and how it shows an evil heart if we think that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is too extreme to pay for our ‘minor indiscretions’. (Read here : Christ’s work of Salvation on the Cross… The Great Equaliser.)
*The Thinking person will see the absolute perfect picture of Human sinfulness in the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ*
*It is the most Believable thing* that is definitive of the evil of humanity… and the longsuffering of God.

This happened folks.
The Crucifixion is History… not fantasy.
Moreover on Easter Sunday *two days time*… is the day we celebrate the greatest miracle of all time in respect to it’s eternal significance… *Christ’s resurrection from the Dead*.
People should go read the Gospels to get the full picture, yet this miracle is not only a historic fact… It altered human history… it literally changed the world, and established Jesus Christ as indisputably *the greatest figure in human history*.
Now dont you think a person of that stature… whose life had such an impact of such fantastic magnitude … and who is the central figure of a Moral philosophy that is Unrivaled… deserves more serious contemplation than the tooth faerie???

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Christ did all this to save your sinful soul from an eternity in the lake of Fire.
And all you need to do to be saved is to put your trust in his sacrifice on the cross, and trust that he rose from the dead…. that he really was/is The Christ.
This is what your annoying friend who used to be cool is desperately trying to communicate to you!
Doing their best to awaken your mind… trying not to piss you off… out of love and the knowledge that should you continue to choose to remain in the dark… that your opportunity to be saved will pass, the hour will arrive when you will stand before God as an Antichrist… in all of your wickedness… and you will receive your hearts desire… to forever know not the presence of God… you will be eternally damned.
It does not have to be that way…. you have a choice… it involves your realisation *that you are a sinner*… a member of the Fallen race of beings descended from Adam.
*for those of us who have received the salvation that is in Christ, Death is nothing to be afraid of.
Joy awaits us… and the love of God… and the fellowship of all who chose life over death.

Tim Wikiriwhi.
Christian Libertarian.
Dispensationalist.
1611 king James Bible believer.

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P.S
Becoming a Christian does not involve throwing your brains in the tip and swallowing Unicorns!
It actually involves the very opposite.
It is not a flight of fancy… but an awakening.
Read about my conversion from militant atheism to bible believer… My path to Salvation was all about learning, and re-consideration of *all the most essential* questions and topics that a thinking person must face… and nobody was more surprised than myself the day my mind was opened and I could see the truth!
The explanatory power of the Biblical world view is absolute… where Darkness reigns… let there be light!

Death of an Atheist. Follow the evidence.

Do you believe you have the Perfect Word of God? Theism vs Humanistic Rationalism. Seeing The Light! My Testimony.

The FBI Hostage ‘Rescue Team’… a Government Death Squad. Ruby Ridge, Waco, The Murder of Lavoy Finicum.

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Empty Bullets – From Ruby to Harney

Update on the state of our patriots and liberty. — From a boys last words, to a sacrifice for friends; peaceful families to grizzled bikers. Do not turn away — GavHelp the prisoners: callmegav.com/prisoners#FreeThePatriots #LibertyRevolution

Posted by Gavin Seim for Liberty on Thursday, March 17, 2016

J****e N****n My sheriff was at Ruby Ridge as an FBI agent. He is NOT a constitutional sheriff. Ruby Ridge had special rules of engagement: Kill any adult male, on sight, even if they didn’t have weapon. Sound familiar?
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Gavin Seim for Liberty Are you telling me people actually elected one of terrorists from Ruby Ridge as their sheriff.
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J****e N****n That is exactly what I’m saying. San Diego, CA. He was appointed in 2009 when the then sheriff reisgned. He was voted in during the 2010 election and he ran unopposed in 2014. 32 years in the FBI where he ended as assistant director. He was SAC in the Seattle field office.
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Read more…. The Coming American Civil War.

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Ruby Ridge 23rd Anniv. of Federal Killings

by Jim on August 21, 2015

Federal killings at Ruby Ridge, Idaho began 23 years ago today. Below are some articles I wrote on this case in 1995. Also included is the counterattack on my Wall Street Journal piece from FBI director Louis Freeh, who claimed that I “grossly mischaracterized” the details of the FBI’s killing of Vicki Weaver.

I wonder how much controversy such a killing would excite nowadays. It is amazing how much further government prerogatives have stretched in the past two decades. And it is perhaps even more amazing how much more docile many Americans have become towards unmitigated government BS.

The artwork above is from an article I wrote for the June 1995 issue of Playboy. James Petersen did a great job editing that piece; the artist was Amy Crehore.

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HEADLINE: Overkill; the FBI’s gun battle with Randy Weaver…. Read on

Remembering Scott. 2 years on. Please donate to Child Cancer Charities and Research.

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A few minutes ago, marked 2 years since this Heroic young man Won his Battle against Cancer.
I say he *won* because he lived life like a champ right to the very end… and kept his soul free of bitterness.
So many of us live longer… but not better.
Ultimately Life is not about how Rich or Famous you become… how cool the bike is that you ride, etc but how you play the cards that you have been dealt… and Scott played his hand like a master of the Game….with supreme courage and grace.
It was inspirational to witness his strength of character…. his determination to enjoy life… and to value his family and friends.
He was an Ambassador and spokesman for plight of Children and young people with medical afflictions, we all must remember him and contribute generously to Charities that are there fighting the fight for us.
Scott is one person definitely on my Hero list, and a person I will enjoy talking to when I have passed over into the Kingdom of our gracious and loving Heavenly Father.
Death is not the end.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
New Zealand.

Read my Tribute to Scott Here

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More from Tim…

The hope which is In Christ. Terrible grief shall be turned into great joy!
Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Never Happy Again

Lane Goodwin takes flight.

‘Brave Boy’ Chace Topperwien.

Car Crash.

How can a Good God exist when there is so much evil in the world? (part1) Atheist Nihilism.

The Gospel of God’s Grace.

The Rock of Divine Revelation.

Christ’s work of Salvation on the Cross… The Great Equaliser.

Hell is for the Self Righteous, Heaven is for Sinners.

A High Calling.

Can God Bless America? Gavin Seim for liberty

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This will offend some and most will not listen. But it's time for hard truths.How Can God Bless America? When we…

Posted by Gavin Seim for Liberty on Saturday, February 20, 2016

Hurling stones…Moral superiority is no vindication for a poisonous heart. Hate always begets hate, never enlightenment. The Truth needs Love.

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^ The stoning of Stephen… Ironically Saul would become St Paul the Greatest Apostle and chosen vessel of God to preach Grace unto humanity… ending Moral legalism. After meeting Christ and receiving his commission he never again picked up the stones. He said “If it be possible… as much as lieth in you live peaceably with all men”.
Among other principles … including the love of God towards all men *as individuals*, and their equality he laid down the principles that would one day give birth to Libertarianism and the concepts of God given inalienable rights of individuals…. yet my post is only indirectly about this.

Todays blog post is on a subject that has been fermenting in my mind for many years, and it is written just as much to myself as to others.
It has to do with my personal development as a human being… a growth in personal wisdom and character., and most importantly it is aimed at making me a more effective soldier in the battle of Ideas.
My life over the last 20 years has been in Flux…. High Highs and low lows… and via the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune I have battled forth …. Flailing my sword about driven by emotion as much as reason…. And emulating others as much as blazing my own trail… and this has had as many disadvantages as advantages.
Not only have I learned Good habits, but also very bad ones, and todays post is about understanding all this better, and attempting to up my game… and become a better person in the process.
It wont be easy… as not only does it involve breaking entrenched habits that have become natural to me but also provide me with a certain amount of pleasure… and on top of that it involves reinventing my own Self-image of who I am… loosing some vices that I have mistaken as virtues and as such given me self esteem when I should have felt shame… and yet if I succeed in this I will start to see the virtues of character traits I have held to be vices… and I expect to generate a new basis for self esteem… via improved character and more effectiveness as a crusader for Truth, justice, and the salvation of individuals.
Big claims huh! :-)… yet definitely worthy of contemplation.

Lets get into it …
In these times of Terror and barbarity, it is commonplace to find the so-called lovers of Liberty to be openly pouring out hatred upon Muslims because of their concepts of Sharia Law, Jihad, intolerance, and brutality and so that even their most benign activities receive the most vehement responses.

You can be sure that at any mention of Islam that within minutes Self Righteous people seeking to promote terror and hate will post un-moderated pictures and accounts of atrocities that are supposed to foster and vindicate their outrage and hatred towards Muslims.
This is particularly noticeable in the attitudes of the disciples of that most militant of atheists… Ayn Rand… who collectively go by the name of ‘Objectivists’… yet also is common place rationale among other Non-Muslims… Jews, Hindus… and tragically… among the majority of those who go by the name of Christian.
What bothers me is that this negativity and outrage…. While at face value appears both Natural and justified… it does little towards actually saving the world, but plays into the hands of the terrorists and haters.
It is great at stirring up support for closing boarders to the Displaced, and Sending in the stealth Bombers…. Yet we have all herd the motto that while military action can be essential and justified… that wars are ultimately won in *battlefield of the minds of humanity.*
That forced peace due to military might is always short lived… with the evil still fermenting *as hatred*… just under the surface… just waiting for fresh opportunity to boil over again.
What I am about to say is not only worth contemplating in regards to ultimately winning the ideological war against Islamic extremism, but I believe is valuable in all aspects of the winning support for truth and enlightenment.
Here is an example of the problem as I see it…

Recently I came across some Objectivist Atheists engaged in their favorite past time of slinging shit at Islam… under the pretense that this was Righteous Indignation against an insidious Evil… yet for the record this conversation could just as well have been found coming from Christian supporters of Donald Trump.
A school was having a “Try the Hijab Day”…. followed by the comment ‘Why not have a “Try a Nazi Uniform day” also?’.

Sure enough the following comment and picture was solicited…
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“Well done XXXX XXXXXX. What a great man you are. Islamic sadism is a terrible thing. Murderous attacks on innocent female victims including even infants are not just the action of a lone wolf or even of the multiple “lone wolves” involved. .There is an appalling mindset inculcated and encouraged from birth, so embedded and reinforced that not even one individual does anything to deter the horrific violence against the powerless. In civilised communities public entertainment comes in the form of sporting contests, musical entertainment and events uplifting for families. In savage anti-humanity societies public entertainment is a large hate-filled crowd of males exulting in the worst imaginable brutality.”

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^^^That escalated quickly! … yet is typical.
The post went from an inter-cultural school lesson designed to ‘de-alienate children into an attempt to subvert them into accepting… maybe even committing atrocities!

Of course the terrible deeds committed in the name of Islam should generate indignation and elicit vocal responses, yet identifying problems and evils is at best only the beginning of the solution… and I believe that too many people allow *the problem* to cloud their better judgment and actually turn them into just another part of the problem rather than taking the higher road that leads the world out of darkness.
Terrorism and brutality ferment reciprocal hatred…. an unqualified blind type of hatred that is quick to pass a sentence of collective guilt upon an entire demographic because of the activities of a few.
Those drawn into this mindset mistake bigotry for righteous outrage and this is exactly what the terrorists, and hate groups feed upon.
This sort of reciprocity highlights the dilemma of being a Libertarian who hopes to create a better world.

As a Christian Libertarian I myself believe Islam to be a dangerous false religion,and am not at all surprised by the horrors that are being committed in it’s name, yet in the same token I also know that Atheism is also a dangerous false religion and that it too is responsible for infinite evils.
I also know that many so-called Christians are vile Statists… that they too support political oppression, and I respect the right of people to express their views, and criticize others.
Yet as a Libertarian I know not to be suckered into bogus collectivist mentality that underpins Bigotry.
While exercising my right to express my views, and fulfilling my duty to God to defend the faith,
I dont say *All Muslims* *All Atheists* are ‘Blar’ ‘Blar’… I try to avoid promoting bigotry.
With regards to Islamiphobia, it is sometimes too easy to post horrible pictures of victims of various hate groups… without clarifications… this is usually done *to promote bigotry… to illicit support for nasty prejudices*… and that is why It is very hard to be a Good Libertarian…. Speaking out against bigotry ,yet without underplaying the veracity of legitimate concerns .
And here I get to the crux of my argument for this post… the point in which I seek to improve my own game…
I believe this ‘essential balance’ between boldly facing heinous truths, yet not falling into bigotry can only be done by the sincere of heart who are prepared to look at both sides of any contentions… and to be found to be discussing things as objectively as possible… and that is never achieved by over-generalizations… and furthermore by looking not only at the truthfulness of contentious issues, but just as essentially *at the heart motive* of both ourselves… and of the Diatribes we encounter.
It is only if we maintain a clean heart… free of Rancor… motivated by Love…with our eyes on the prize … that we can be effective evangelists of enlightenment.
I am not saying I have mastered these arts.
In fact I am sure I haven’t… yet I am aware of the ‘Bad habit’ and base ‘pleasure’ that comes from opening up cans of malice upon the objects of our scorn.
I try to reserve that sort of ‘disregard’ for those whom I believe truly embody willful Evil… those whom have no desire to see their own wickedness… but revel in it… yet still you cant expect pouring out indignation to win anyone for truth!
It is in this sense an admission of frustration and defeat.
It is a sad truth that *some people*… many people are beyond reason… even those who claim to be champions of it!
The human factor is always at work… the bible says “the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.”, and again “That this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world but that men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.”
The problem with dishing out Evil for evil is that while it is relatively easy to identify evil values and beliefs, and to take some sort of pleasure from the idea that we are morally superior, yet after this what do we do with our knowledge?
Do we allow it to ferment hatred and justify aggression, justify building walls from which we throw righteous stones? (its amazing who condemns the stoning of sinners in the old testament yet who support their governments doing the same thing and worse… to foreigners with foreign beliefs)
Or do we try and overcome ideological evils via the higher path… via enlightened values… reason and example?

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Do we even care about those people lost in darkness enough to open up and maintain dialogues, or do we write them off as wicked reprobates and stamp their foreheads with ‘Child of Satan’?
I believe that if the world is going to become more free and civil requires not just military supremacy, but Victories of enlightenment and good will to triumph over Darkness and reciprocal malevolence… and this can only be done by ‘Lovers’ not ‘haters’.
Our societies must not only truly embody Libertarian justice and equality, but also the spirit of benevolence towards ‘the lost’, and a desire to ‘win’ them over in their hearts and minds…. And these are ‘Christian humanitarian values towards the lost’ and why Christianity is one of the few ideologies with the power to overcome savagery, Crime, evil superstitions, and bigotry.
I am not simply saying that Christianity practiced well is both truthful and righteous… which it is… but that everybody… non-Christians as well can learn valuable insights into how to stimulate the growth of civilization… how to bring light and peace into areas of Darkness and Barbarism.
I also say that these truths expose Rancid ideologies that pose as Reason and enlightenment yet are in fact hotbeds of bigotry and hate… and that despite their self-acclamation as being the champions of humanity and social progress… are actually a big part of the problem!
They are almost as backward and deranged as the evils they profess to be the vanguard against.

Thus we must take care how we wield our Ideological swords.
Too often the ‘Superiority complex’ is used as justification for Hatred, bigotry, and pouring out Guile…. which only exacerbates the troubles and further alienates those who we should be trying to lead up the higher path.
And This is why the *heart motive* behind what we write and say determines the ‘Spirit’ of actions and the success or failure in respect to the war of ideas.
For sure Tirades that spew forth hot coals upon their chosen targets are ‘successful’ for attracting the applause and fame within other haters yet absolutely fail at bringing more enlightenment into the world.
I think there are times and places to have ‘in house’ pep talks to the troops that may be spoken in strong terms to emphasize the gravity of what is at stake… and the urgency with which they must rally, yet that cant be a summary of your entire modus opperandi!
You need to make it clear the while the evils are vile, and that arms may be needed, not to mistake this as an excuse to become a hater… and that Goodwill towards humanity must always be at the forefront.
If we realize that most people in dark lands believe backward things only do so because they have not been exposed to the truth in a way that they can see as being not only true… but delivered by souls of good will who *want their betterment*… this is far more likely to increase the sum in favour of enlightenment and lead to real victories in the battle of Ideas.
Missionaries are just as essential as Arms in the struggle as ultimately it is only an enlightenment that can overcome Evil ideologies.
And this is basic stuff… because we know that we ourselves are far more likely to respond positively to truths that are presented out of care than out of hate.

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I found this…From someone who actually won over hearts and minds rather than just pouring out scorn… upon those who deserved it.

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Actions speak louder than words

Now look at this pic below posted to an Objectivist FB page, and think about what such cartoons hope to achieve.
Read the comments

toilet koran... not smart.

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Bf That kind of shit will plug up your pipes in the worst way.
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J M Throw the Bible in there as well to make it even better.
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Now read my comment…
Tim Wikiriwhi
Tim Wikiriwhi You know XXXXX that I can see the amusement factor in this picture… *yet contemplate this for a moment*… do you think it actually serves to further the cause of Freedom?
Do you think that it will be propitious in convincing Muslims to listen to you… to forsake Islam and embrace your values and ideals?
Dont you understand that this is actually childish and counter productive to your professed desire to enlighten the world?
Dont you see that this merely panders to the Haters… the bigots, those people who dont give a shit about *Saving the muslims*… but seek to insult them and vent hatred upon them?
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I receive a typical response …. And my answer follows
B R said…. “ They will never forsake their values or their ideals. That is not islam. Islam is above any other ideals. To them anyone other than islam is beneath them. You can’t reason with someone who always thinks he is above you. You can bow to their needs. They will never bow to yours. How many women and children have to be raped and murdered for you to see this.”
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My Reply…. “B R.. You have defeated yourself… maybe willfully so…. what you have said is something *You want to believe* rather than something that is empirically true, and you do it to excuse your own lack of reason when dealing with this problem.
You say they are beyond reason when the truth is ‘You cant be bothered trying… and you actually *hate* them… ie you dont have any compassion…. yet you have plenty of spleen that you want to vent.
Your character is such that you cant even be polite to them.
You look down your nose at them.
And you are cowardly.
The idea of befriending a Muslim terrifies you.
Let me tell you that Plenty of Muslims have been converted to Christianity by Christians who *Care enough* to take the trouble, and run the risks.
Christians *see the prize* and believe it’s worth every effort.
Wining lost souls to the truth… to truth that raises savages out of Dark superstitions and brings civilization… and ends Barbarisms…. fosters good will and peaceful co-existence.
Christianity sees Muslims and atheists *as valuable … precious individuals*… not as hopelessly Damned sub-humans.
Now if Objectivism really did value the human individual… really was ‘a movement for civilization’ it would not generate such defeatism , indifference…. Worse absolute hatred towards billions of human beings.
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^^^ So my post looks to be finishing on a condemnation of the philosophy of Objectivism as *Anti-Individualism*
*Anti-Humanity* …. A Wolf in sheeps clothing.
Every virtue it pretends to extol are found to be Hot air…. mere platitudes.
It does not tend towards enlightenment and the value of human individuals and that is why it’s ranks are peopled with egotistical narcissists of malicious minds… and this leads them to promoting very *inhuman solutions* in dealing with the likes of the Victims of Islamic extremism and western foreign policy… solutions completely at variance with the founding principles of Libertarianism… esp with regards to the current Refugee crisis.

No doubt my comments here will not find many Objectivists open enough to see that I am right.
They might even say that I’m practicing ‘hate speech’ against them… that I’m not being PC enough towards them … that by my hardness I am not demonstrating ‘love’ towards them, and so failing on every level to reach *Their hearts and minds*…. Yet even if this were true… would not such an accusation actually vindicate my whole post?
You see that even if I fail to live up to this post myself, it does not diminish its validity… it just exposes my own hypocrisy, and poor character.
Ironically I learned this polemic ‘Militancy’ from my Objectivist mentors!
This is a fact that i now seek to remedy.
It is more characteristic of the Pharisee Saul *Before* he met the risen Christ.
St Paul typifies conversion from the spirit of Moralistic persecution.
His zeal for the truth, is tempered by compassion and humanity,… the true spirit of Evangelism… and he was willing to lay his life down for it.
Nobody has been a more ardent defender of truth against superstition, yet still he used the power of persuasion to win converts… from a loving heart not self righteous malice.

He said “… yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.”

Maybe Paul appreciated the grace God had shown him when he was in the throws of self righteous persecution.
Maybe his compassion comes from being once blind… yet by God’s grace… now he sees… and he knows that without brave preachers of grace and Good will… large swaths of humanity will remain under Satan’s Demonic sway… and be damned.

Realising my own problem… I am hereby seeking to learn better skills of communication… and this is what I meant in my introduction about this post being aimed as much at myself as at others.
Let me again talk about balance. I am not an apologist for ‘Politically Correctness’.
I believe The truth should be ruggedly defended and that content is far more important than grammar and worrying 24/7 about offending petty sensitivities… in fact as a Westy Bogan I simply cant function at that ‘Ivory tower level’… nor do I seek to be a part of that ‘elevated’ world.
I speak as a common man hoping to reach common people using common folk lingo and rationale.
And when talking to the likes of Objectivists you would hope that for all their claims of Rugged rationality that they of all people ought to be able to handle the truth hard spoken… yet again we find their claims to be hot air…. They love to dish it out but cant handle the slightest amount in return… so precious are their sensitivities… so vain are their egos …. They are not just beyond reproach… they are beyond reason.
I await *just one objectivist* to admit that I my post has validity, and that they will try and modify their behavior… to better embody the values their philosophy claims to precipitate.

I wrote a speech 10 years ago for the NZ Libz party, In it I talk about why I believe Objectivism fails to win over hearts and minds… and why Christianity on the other hand changed world history… and it has a lot to do with what I have been trying to talk to you about in this thread.
It is below.
I would like to point out that while I am no fan of PC rubbish, I think it is too easy… too convenient to pull out the ‘PC is evil’ card to justify rancid and obnoxious, and bigoted Tirades that are then expected to be vindicated as ‘Righteous indignation’… and ‘Rugged defense of liberty’ … etc when it is just Guile…

So To all you out there involved in the Battle of Ideas… no matter what color of faith or values you seek to propagate in this world, I hope my post helps you to appreciate that for victory in this ideological Battlefield, that *Heart motive* is just as important as being right.
It is sad to apprehend that sometimes the advocates of Evil understand this truth better than anyone, and that is why many of them *pretend* to care about those people in distress… only to lead them to destruction.
Tim Wikiriwhi
Christian Libertarian.

My Speech >>> Libz 10th birthday speech. Monday, 31 July, 2006 11:23 PM By Tim Wikiriwhi Christian Libertarian.

More From Tim….

The lonely road. My divorce from John Ansell.

A High Calling.

Anti-Terrorism at its finest. The Road out of darkness into the light.

They are out there! Heroic and Virtuous Islamic Granny Schools Murdering Extremists.

Islamic Cleric Against Religious Extremism

What can we do? Socialism’s Tungsten shell, and the refugee crisis

God Bless Angela Merkel, and those Germans whom courageously support her in these times which try Men’s souls.

The Art of Assimilation. Culture shock, Lawlessness, and the challenges facing humanitarian good will

Good Eye Closed. The Powder Keg. The Dead keep washing up on the coasts of Europe.

Not In My Name! Muslims Condemn Isis Terror.

Insidious Evil . When ethics are used as a weapon against you.

IDF Code of Ethics. Fighting a just fight.

The Diabolical tactics of Hamas: What the IDF is up against.

How does the Israeli Defence Force minimize civilian casualties?

“One Day”. The Peace Song of Our Generation. Matisyahu.

You will be next! The power of the terror mongers. When fear dominates reason… evil prevails

The Boston Bombing. Christian Grace and Freedom and the Higher Path.

Watching Buses Bear down… Why bother to Proselytize? Penn Jillette

The Battlefield of the Mind. Eternal Vigilance!

Life’s a Stanley Milgram Experiment. (part1)

Jefferson’s God. The Rock upon which Liberty is founded. (God save us from Atheism!)

Materialism renders Man Nought. Meaning-less, Value-less, Right-less

Protestant Christianity had a Baby… Libertarianism.

Monism: Evolutionary Psychology and the Death of Morality, Reason and Freewill.

We are not Robots Ayn Rand. We are Moral Agents.

Standing up for Justice more important than Personal Ambitions

The World is a Vampire.

The Bible. What is it good for?

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As is his wont, my King James Bible believing Dispensationalist libertarian Christian co-blogger Tim tagged me in his post (of the above image) on Facebook. 🙂

Be sure to get your doctrine from the Bible, not the traditions of man! (Colossians 2:8)

I really do appreciate the pro-tip. It’s just that there’s a whole lotta problems with this instruction. At least one of which renders Tim’s advice utterly useless!

One problem is that the cited verse, Colossians 2:8, does not even mention the Bible.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (KJV)

See! What this verse is really saying is be sure to get your doctrine from Christ, not the traditions of man! I agree! But let’s be clear. There’s no mention at all of the Bible in this verse. And I’ve made it quite clear in previous blog posts what my view is. It is that Jesus is inerrant, but the Bible isn’t. The Word of God is inerrant. His scribes, not so much. Yes, that’s right. I basically equate the Bible with “the traditions of man”. I don’t equate the Bible with Christ. The Bible as we know it hasn’t even been around a couple of thousand years yet. Whereas

In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (DARBY)

Believe it or not, another problem is that the KJV mistranslates this particular verse. And don’t believe it or do, so does the NIV. But of course! 😉

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ. (NIV)

Which is why I always have recourse to Young’s Literal Translation for times like this when it matters exactly what the Bible says.

See that no one shall be carrying you away as spoil through the philosophy and vain deceit, according to the deliverance of men, according to the rudiments of the world, and not according to Christ (YLT)

It’s clear that “spoiled” is a KJV mistranslation of “spoil”. Yet at least the NIV has the good grace to provide a footnote (see above) to the effect that it has construed “the basic principles” (rudiments) as “the elemental spiritual forces” of this world.

But here’s the fatal flaw with Tim’s advice—be sure to get your doctrine from the Bible, not the traditions of man!—which renders it useless. Which Bible?

Tim’s telling me to be sure to get my doctrine from the Bible, but which one? As we all know, Christians (e.g., Protestants vs. Catholics and Orthodox Christians) can’t even agree on which books belong in the Bible, let alone which translations of the canonical books are themselves canonical.

Which Bible? Tim will, of course, answer the Authorized King James Version of 1611. Which is a fair answer to a fair question. But if I accept this answer, one thing’s for sure. I’m now getting my doctrine from the traditions of man, and from the traditions of one man in particular, viz., my co-blogger Tim Wikiriwhi! And not necessarily from either the true Bible (if, indeed, there even is such a thing) or Christ.

It comes down to this. When all is said and done, we must decide—each of us individually must decide—in what and/or in whom to trust.

I trust in Jesus, the Son of God, whom I know from the first-hand accounts of his ministry by the original gospel authors, from his work in the lives of my brothers and sisters in Christ, from his work in my own life, and from personal encounter.

I trust in the deliverances of my own God-given moral compass when (not often, just occasionally) they conflict with what’s in the Bible.

So the Bible. What’s it good for?

Why, it’s profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works, of course! 🙂

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The Word of God is inerrant. His scribes, not so much.


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Jesus is inerrant, but the Bible isn’t.

Anyone who’s spent any time in serious study of the Bible (or even someone who’s only delved into it intermittently) will have discovered, for themselves, apparent contradictions, of which there are very, very many.

Just for example, Ezekiel 33:11 (and Ezekiel 18:32) and Psalm 37:13 seem rather at odds.

Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’ (NIV)

but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming. (NIV)

How should a Christian respond to such apparent contradictions? It’s not easy maintaining contradictions. Maintaining a contradiction is surely the very essence of cognitive dissonance, and cognitive dissonance is something we all naturally seek to minimise.

Of particular concern are the apparent contradictions in Bible verses about salvation. Is justification through good works or by faith alone? Enquiring minds want to know.

The inerrantist response is to hold that the Bible is inerrant. On the premiss (due to Douglas Stauffer) that

God will preserve His word, and not allow it to pass away.

And then try to explain away the apparent contradictions. All of them. One attempt to do this (with particular emphasis on what the Bible says about salvation) is the doctrine of Dispensationalism due to John Nelson Darby.

Now, I can see that the above premiss has merit and that Dispensationalism is, in some sense, a reasonable response to the apparent contradictions in the Bible.

But doesn’t God operate according to the KISS principle?

“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” (NIV)

Dispensationalism is complicated. Doesn’t God’s fundamental message have to be intelligible to little children and simpletons? Because Dispensationalism isn’t.

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The errantist response is to hold that the Bible is not inerrant. To concede that it’s full of contradictions, some of which cannot be adequately explained away. But that, nonetheless

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (KJV)

and that Jesus’s fundamental message remains intact, which it does.

Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (KJV)

My reason for writing this post is my concern that those who hold that the Bible is inerrant are fooling themselves. In a bad way. Notwithstanding that Douglas Stauffer (already quoted above) tells us that

Satan has reveled in creating doubt concerning the authority of the words of God.

the simple fact is that there is doubt concerning the authority of scripture as it has been handed down to us. Not to acknowledge and to express doubt such as this is to deceive oneself and maybe others too. It’s my considered opinion that those who persist in maintaining that the Bible is inerrant are involved in more convolutions and contortions than David Bain trying to explain his movements on the morning of 20 June 1994, more turns than a sluggard on his bed, more preposterous suspensions of disbelief than an atheist proclaiming that this blog post is an anticipated result of the Big Bang. They’re playing the exegetical version of Twister—the game that ties you up in knots.

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Falling to Pieces …. Thank’s for the music Scott Weiland

RIP Scotty

Now I am going to say some things that will upset some folk… yet It must be said… It keeps getting swept under the carpet… so that the party can carry on.

Though an indisputable Icon of Grunge, Scott was a tragically lost soul…. a Train wreak of a person.

Scott was the same age as me… 48.
His music is an essential part of the soundtrack of my life, yet his death… like so many others is a testament to the fact that he was a follower of unbelievably disastrous values, and yet sadly millions of other lost souls worship these Musical loose wheels… and dance their way down the road to destruction.

Satan laughing spreads his wings.

Rolling Stone Article: Scott Weiland: A Photo History of His Wild Life

Scott Weiland’s tragic story is but one track on a stuck record that keeps repeating…

We could talk about Alice in Chains frontman Layne Stanley, or the miserable fate of Kurt Corbain.> April 5 Sux.

Next week I’ll be going to AC DC… yet sadly Bon Scott wont be singing… he’s on that Highway to hell.

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It does not have to end like this!!!!
On a much more positive note… Many Rockers survive long enough to wake up from their Drunken stupor and see the light.
Alice Cooper… Alice Cooper Goes to Hell. Nek Minnit!

Deep Purples Glenn Hughes > Rock legend and good guy Glenn Hughes pays his respects at Ronnie James Dio 4th year memorial.

Korn’s Brian Welch > Brian Welch: From Korn to Jesus

Ex Metallica/ Megadeth’s Dave Mustiane > Megadeths Dave Mustaine is a Christian.

Wasp’s Blackie Lawless > I came not to bring peace, but a sword

and many more.

I know what I’m talking about because *I was a lost soul on that road myself*
Read my story > Jimi vs Jesus.

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Wake up my friends!
Love music by all means, yet you will not discover the road that leads to life until you free yourselves from your foolish prejudices which keep your minds closed to the truth.

Beware that love of the Darkness… you think you are free… when you are in fact slaves.

> Nyctophilia: Hiding in the Dark….

What about Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix,John Bonham, Keith Moon,Brian Jones, or Amy Winehouse?
Rehab could not save her.
The list is endless.
How long will Miley Cyrus last?


Scott Weiland LA 1994.

Many of you now are parents… how can you raise your kids yet leave them without direction… without hope?
You cast them out into open waters without a compass.

It does not have to be that way.
Seek and ye shall find!
Dont be fools unto the end.
Teach your Kids the lessons of the Survivors!
Those great and fortunate souls who realised in time that even being among the God’s of Rock is nothing but death without Jesus Christ.

The Bible is wonderfully true to those who learn the Truth in time…. terribly true who learn it too late.

My Testimony > Do you believe you have the Perfect Word of God? Theism vs Humanistic Rationalism. Seeing The Light! My Testimony.

It is my hearts desire to help anyone who seeks answers to their questions… to their perceived critisisms of the Bible, yet only a truly open mind and heart is fit to receive the truth.
Closed minds and hard hearts are beyond reach.

To anyone disturbed by the carnage of Rock and Roll, and it’s effects on their youths… Seek!

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”.
Jesus Christ. John 8vs 32.

more from me>>> Hell is for the Self Righteous, Heaven is for Sinners.

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End note: Of course raising your children with biblical faith does not guarantee they wont wander off out into the world… yet even so they will have that lighthouse back in the distance…
They may have to learn what the lost world is like the hard way… yet like Blackie Lawless… they can return home.

Tim Wikiriwhi
Music lover.
Christian.

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Scott Weiland’s ex-wife has penned a candid, poignant essay on the deceased Stone Temple Pilots singer on behalf of his two children

Update: Rolling stone article > Scott Weiland’s Family: ‘Don’t Glorify This Tragedy’

“December 3rd, 2015 is not the day Scott Weiland died. It is the official day the public will use to mourn him, and it was the last day he could be propped up in front of a microphone for the financial benefit or enjoyment of others. The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting. But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope.”

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207#ixzz3tnAG1lNh
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BLACK SABBATH’s GEEZER BUTLER: ‘I Always Felt That God And Jesus Wanted Us To Love Each Other’: Blabbermouth. net

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“In a brand new interview with The Weeklings, BLACK SABBATH bassist Geezer Butler was asked if he got any backlash over SABBATH singing a message of repentance and God being the only way to love on the “Master Of Reality” album.

“No,” he responded. “People always like to find the ‘evil’ in the music, so they’d quote the ‘pope on a rope’ part out of context, as usual. People like to find negative in everything. We weren’t interested in writing songs about the ‘nice’ things in the world; everyone else was writing about that. We wanted to inject some reality into music. I think if we’d been called WHITE SUNDAY we’d have had a totally different reaction.

Butler also talked about his thought process behind writing the lyrics to the SABBATH song “After Forever”, which some historians have called the first real Christian rock song.

“A lot of it was because of the situation in Northern Ireland at the time,” he explained. “There were a lot of religious troubles between the Protestants against the Catholics.

“I was brought up strictly Catholic and I guess I was naïve in thinking that religion shouldn’t be fought over. I always felt that God and Jesus wanted us to love each other.”

He continued: “It was just a bad time in Northern Ireland, setting bombs off in England and such. We all believed in Jesus — and yet people were killing each other over it. To me, it was just ridiculous. I thought that if God could see us killing each other in his name, he’d be disgusted.”

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/black-sabbaths-geezer-butler-i-always-felt-that-god-and-jesus-wanted-us-to-love-each-other/#qt9A5v4LbfASJwhk.99

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Me at the 2013 Black Sabbath concert. Auckland. New Zealand.
More posts from me….

Hell is for the Self Righteous, Heaven is for Sinners.

Brian Welch: From Korn to Jesus

Rock legend and good guy Glenn Hughes pays his respects at Ronnie James Dio 4th year memorial.

Alice Cooper Goes to Hell. Nek Minnit!

Alice Cooper; ‘My life is dedicated to follow Christ’

Megadeths Dave Mustaine is a Christian.

Is God Dead? Black Sabbath.

New Zealand Tribute to Dr Robert H Schuller. Great Christian Possibility Thinker. 1926-2015.

“Theistic Faith is Optimistic and springs from a Possiblity Thinker, whereas Atheistic doubt is Pessimistic and springs from an Impossiblity thinker”. Robert Schuller Senior.

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It is with both sadness and pleasant memories, that I and my wife joy say good bye to a wise old Christian, whose ‘Hour of Power’ brought inspiration and faith into our Non-Churchgoing lives.

Dr Robert H Schuller

For years his ‘Hour of Power’ was our TV church.

Now Dr Schuller was not a 1611 King James Guy.
He was not an exponent of Dispensationalism.
He was even lacking in preaching the Gospel of grace… yet still I say he was a Great Christian man, and one of my Spiritual Fathers.
He reminded me very much of my own Grandfather… John Steel Clark… and that is how millions of people around the world saw him, as a Caring and Wise Christian Elder.

God creates Individuals each with specific contributions to make, so that all knowledge, all truth, all the godliness and virtues of Christ do not reside in any one person/ sect.
We are all single members of the Body of Christ.
I Add Dr Shullers personal contributions to Christian Thought as one of the necessary pillars in my Ideological Fortress.
His is an ideology to help us master our Psychology, and steer us towards bold action and positive outlook.

To his credit Dr Schuller was very Libertarian in his Political Ideals and beliefs about Voluntary action in the pursuit of values.

He taught Pragmatism….

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His Ministry brought many Great testimonies of faith from Achievers, and people with amazing stories,
His Sermons were inspirational calls to action… to pursue your God-given visions and dreams.

He wrote about how to rally back from personal loss… ” Tuff times never last, Tuff people do…”
We wrote about the psychology of the ‘Impossibility thinker’… “..trapped in the tiger cage of their own mind.”

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For the Bi-centenary of The Birth of America, Schullers Message ‘I am the American Flag’, was an Epic on Freedom and prosperity… as long as the Morals of the people do not themselves ‘flag’.
Freedom is only fit for a people of strong Personal values and Self governing Self reliant ethics.
Unfortunately Later deliveries of that great speech have been trimmed down to the extent that they do not do justice to the Libertarian theology in the original.

Years Before facebook, … Joy and I would share with our Battling Kin… positive insights we had picked up from watching Hour of power on Sunday morning, or comment on what fantastic musicians, Choirs, etc… we enjoyed very much.

Robert Schuller built his ministry from the ground up into a global audience.
I do not know the details of the eventual collapse of his TV ministry, so I wont make any comment on that.
What I will say is that irrespective of that unfortunate end to his ministry, his character, example, and intellectual contribution to the faith building self reliance , tolerance, Christian thinking of his day is secure.

I believe his greatest legacy will be found in his Children and Grand children.
The Schuller family are and have always been Exemplary.
They were a Pillars of strength in America’s darkest hours after 911, and no doubt we can continue expect great things from them.

Robert A Shculler’s Hour of Power message “God’s truth is Marching on” is an Inspirational call to America to Keep Strong in faith, esp in Religious liberty.

I pray God’s grace and providence remains upon them.

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Dr Scheuller in New Zealand.

A great orator like Dr Schuller must have been used to having a few Zealots in the crowd… and so it would be when he came Down under.

I have my own Robert Schuller story.

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I met Dr Schuller very briefly in about 2002.

Joy and I travelled up to Auckland to see him at a large Central City Church.
Several 1000 people in attendance.
Joy and I are Big fans of the Schuller family, Though we have always thought Dr Schuller needed some ‘encouragement’ regarding The Gospel of Grace, The King James Bible Issue, Dispensationalism, and Libertarianism, and I would not let this opportunity pass….so I had packed a small pile of pamphlets and small ‘tracks’, etc to give to him.
The question remained as to exactly how I was going to achieve ‘the drop’.

This was post 911.
GW Bush era.
War pending in Iraq.
The Schullers had been a source of Moral Spiritual support for the American people directly after 911, and in the War years that have followed.

Back then there were Anti-American terrorists and Jihadists, hiding on every grassy knoll.
Postal Anthrax.

The Program we had been given told everyone to remain seated when Dr Schuller exited.
Well…. the moment was fast arising, and Joy ribbed me saying that if I was going to give him the package that I had better do something fast… and Being a subscriber to ‘Possibility thinking’… I decided I would simply break the rule of remaining seated, and walked up out of the Auditorium over to the exit.

There I met him for a few seconds, and gave him my ‘present.’
I called on God to bless him, and America as he was getting into his car.
Mission accomplished!

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Possibility thinking may involve some risk, yet can get spectacular results!
I got to shake Dr Schullers hand.

I Figure he would forgive me for being cheeky enough to ignore the Rules.
I was ‘Optimistic’ and opportunistic.
What he did with my gift, I have no idea.
I had Fulfilled *my Part*… my moral duty to put the goods into his hands.
It was now up to God to inspire him to read it.

Insignificant as this tale is it actually is descriptive of how his teachings have moulded my thinking and motivated me to action and activism.
Dr Schuller is one of my Mentors whom has been helping me get out of my seat for the last 15 years.

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Robert Schuller’s legacy will continue through his Children, and Grandchildren whom in many ways exemplify Enlightened Christian character, and through his fans as they continue to share his Humanity, His wisdom, his Possibility thinking.
He will continue to be a source of my own resolve to always be an optimistic chaser of of big ideas and visions.

His Son Robert Jnr says on Facebook “My Father is now in Heaven with Mum”.

Thank you Robert H Schuller.

Tim Wikiriwhi.
Possibility thinker.
New Zealand.

Update: Schuller’s Funeral …

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“This is the day the Lord has made. We will be glad and rejoice in it.”

Bobby Schuller lifted up his chest and enunciated those words in a booming voice – exactly as his illustrious grandfather had done for more than half a century opening the “Hour of Power” program every Sunday, beamed across the globe to millions.

The more than 2,000 attendees at Crystal Cathedral founder Robert H. Schuller’s memorial service Monday morning, who packed the Christ Cathedral plaza in the shadow of the gleaming glass tower and sanctuary, burst into laughter, tears and thunderous applause….

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