“Tonight marks the end of the gun buy back and amnesty, with thousands of guns handed over to police.
However, the Council of Licenced Firearms Owners say owners have been “hiding valuable firearms, protecting family heirlooms, and being ignorant of the fact they are affected by the new bans is now the new normal”.
The council estimated that 100,000 unlawful guns won’t be handed back after the buy back ends tonight, a figure it says came from talking to 11 of the 15 large gun suppliers and from custom numbers…”
Report from New Zealand….
Guy Buy Back scheme and Amnesty period finished.
Over 100 000 Guns not surrendered.
Things are about to get real people…. The Police will seek to make ‘examples’ out of some people in the hope to terrify the rest into compliance….
I would expect the Police to flout the law and start systematically raiding the homes of licensed gun owners… with virtually no just cause… they will start with those whom they are suspicious…. maybe even having staff Trawling social media (like this forum) to ascertain possible non-compliant gun owners simply from the comments they have made…
Obviously anyone who has not handed in their now prohibited guns had better have them well stashed….
“The truth is, that we had a law-abiding firearm community who, in my view, have become engaged in civil disobedience on a massive scale because Parliament eroded the respect for the law.”
David Seymour Act Party Leader.
****** Statement from the Outdoors and Recreation Party.
“After today thousands of law-abiding New Zealanders will become criminals and face up to 7 years jail for possessing what was a lawful and authorised firearm”. Alan Simmons co-leader of the NZ Outdoors Party said “The police attitude is threatening and intimidating with TV adverts depicting people heading off to court. The police and the Government need to take a long hard look at themselves. Less than half of the Semi Automatics have been handed in and for the police to now make threats of raids, prosecution and jail for honest citizens smacks of Tyranny…”
Someone with Legal nouse needs to write up a ‘Know your rights’ Bullet point list for Gun owners who find themselves getting raided.
It should include what paperwork the Police must have, what they are allowed to do… and esp what they are not allowed to do.
Are they allowed to photograph the contents of your safe?
Are they allowed to record in writing the contents of your safe?
You see that in the absence of a Gun register the Police will still be trying to build a database on what you own so they can demand you surrender them as their prohibitions broaden.
It should include what reasonable standard/ threshold must be met before such a heavy handed activity is undertaken… and who is responsible for it … esp when nothing is found… and by what means an innocent person is not robbed of his legal possessions and licence.
The Gun community must be prepared to keep vigilant on this because the Police will abuse their powers… do raids that are not justified… Take guns they are not justified on taking under the most flimsy circumstances… and will arbitrarily deprive innocent people of their licences.
Remember… do not talk to the Police… respectfully decline to answers their questions…
Are you allowed to video their Raid?
How are the police allowed to treat your children and spouse?
Are they allowed to murder your dogs?
This Mainstream media piece is vile… talk about making out the Police are the good guys in this… and that this innocent law abiding man is ‘Far right’ and hold opinions ‘Like Brenton Tarrent… the Christchurch Terrorist’…!!!
Disgusting Political Propaganda justifying tyranny!
I spent a week preparing myself for this Oral submission, though we were given a mere 5 minutes to present our arguments.
The idea that such a stingy allocation equates to sound due process… that the Government is ‘interested’ and ‘listening’ to citizens concerns before passing legislation is farcical… Nonetheless there is little point crying about it.
With this in mind I Ruthlessly ignored a thousand equally important factors I would have loved to have been able to present, I managed to focus my submission to a single main theme… the end result being notes 4 times the material that I would be able to speak in 5 minutes… which meant before I even walked in the door I had to sacrifice 75% of this already narrow presentation… leaving me with a mere 1/4 of a single thread of argument… and I guess I am supposed to feel honored to have been able to present that tiny snipet.
There’s nothing Important at stake after all… just the Future Freedom of My Children and theirs!!!!
Only the fact that my country is sinking into a Jackbooted Police State!
I Prayed for Calmness and wisdom, yet still I could not prevent myself from becoming emotional as I presented my case.
In the end I did not even manage to finish that meager portion… yet fortunately I brought 6 printed copies of my full oral submission that I was able to give to the Clark, and so That was a more positive outcome than my 5 minute presentation.
I admit that I was quite nervous about delivering my submission as I had visions of being raked over the coals at question time with regards to how scathing my earlier written submission was… as it turned out my paranoia was unfounded.
Having watched a few submissions, I was expecting the Chair to tell me when I was at 4 minutes so that I could round up on my final points, and maybe field a question or two, yet for some reason she did not give me a 4 minute signal and so I spoke right up to the bell and finished rather abruptly.
I did not hang about long after my delivery as i was expected back at work, yet the ratio was about 5:1 against the Bill.
I left when one submitter began to say they supported the Bill.
The Secretary of The council of Licenced Firearms Owners (COLFO) Nicole Mckee was present and I introduced myself to her and we had a short chat about proceedings.
She was a very pleasant lady, and gave me her card.
Though she had already presented an Oral submission as a COLFO representative at an earlier Hearing, she was in attendance to hear the submissions, and to offer encouragement and advice to others making submissions.
Below is a video of my submission (starts about 5 minutes in… and dont worry… the Video corrects its orientation before I start to speak! 🙂 )
from this you will get the shortened summary of the much longer argument I presented to the committee via the Clark … which I will also post after the video.
It should also be remembered that I had already made a written submission on this Bill here.
Because Submission time was so short, it is difficult to feel satisfied yet at least I know I have done the best I could muster under the circumstances.
^^^Watch the video… My submission is about 5 min in….
FGM Stadium, Splice Construction Lounge.
Oral submission on the (New Zealand) Arms Legislation Bill.
To the Finance and Expenditure Committee
In my written submission I made many statements about why I reject the re-establishment of a gun register.
In these Hearings the Committee will have herd testimony from a broad range of experts on Guns, and the gun community, social services, etc
My contribution is from a different quarter.
I do not own any firearms.
I want talk about this bill from the perspective of a Father and Grandfather and very concerned and observant citizen who has been witnessing over the past year that New Zealanders Individual Freedom across the board have been coming under siege … not from Terrorism but from oppressive politics.
Our Rights which have been a birthright for generations are threatened from a rapidly expanding Police State.
The Bill before us is all part of this insidious regressive process and that is why I call upon you to reject it in totality.
via such activities as this Bill and the Arms amendment Act, and the belligerent attitude of Parliament and the police, our Cultural heritage and very fabric of our nation are being systematically undermined.
It is frightening to witness these changes that are being hastily implemented by this parliament in the space of less than a year.
let me quickly give a few examples.
The Waikato is a place that has always held the Best Armistice Remembrance days… and I have always attended them …. bringing my family to look at all the military displays and memorabilia… esp all the old machine guns that collectors brought along… and you could sit and chat with them as they proudly described Epic Battles and Heroic Deeds performed by the New Zealand troups… and others.
Each year this events grew bigger and better… except for this year… Something terrible has happened and it is not the Terrorist attack… as some may assume, but the atmosphere that now exists because owning machine Guns and semiautomatics has become a crime!
All the machine-guns and semi-automatics that were normally there ….were gone!
Yet they were all Taonga!
This parliament has succeeded in the space of a year to create an atmosphere under which to enjoy our Martial traditions and history… and Arms… is now virtually *a thought crime!*
The difference in this year’s event was appalling…
The guts has been ripped out of the Event.
Attendance was very low, and when I talked with those people who were still running stalls and displays they virtually all told me they believed the cause of the dirth was the new Anti-gun laws.
I fear the viability of this long held remembrance event is now in jeopardy.
Multiply this sad situation across the country and the magnitude of the ‘New Anti-Gun era’ being fostered onto our country by the Government becomes apparent…. and it is shocking to me.
I was told of other cancelled events.
On top of this I have seen News reports that the Guns and arms that RSAs have had on display for decades are now under threat of destruction … all because of Parliaments and the Police’s callous and arrogant attitudes and agenda!
Lest we forget…
What was the reason New Zealanders fought two world wars?
It was to liberate Nations from invading Tyranny and to Defeat Evil Totalitarian Ideologies and powers that threatened the life and liberty of ourselves, our Friends, and neighbors!
Lest we forget…
The idea that New Zealand’s greatest sacrifices for Western civilization… for freedom are being systematically destroyed instead of preserved for Posterity is a monumental crime that only serves the interests of those in governments… certainly not the well being of the people!
And it is *you people* who are doing this. Your ill conceived legislation is having many dire consequences that weaken not strengthen our Nation.
Via bills such as the one we are considering today You are effeminating our Nation!
Your ‘Guns are Evil’ indoctrination is socially conditioning an ignorance and a loss of respect for Bearing arms, and the security and quality of life that comes from being a Brave… Free… and proud martial people!
Since the Christchurch event the cowardly way the government has behaved has proven that the Terrorist has won!
Legislation like the bill before us is taking our nation in the very opposite direction of what ought to have been done in the wake of what happened… and the wrong people are being punished!
Instead of the knee jerk reaction of Heavy handed fire arms prohibitions…driven by Political opportunism and Fear, this horrific event should instead have strengthened our National resolve to remain strong and Free!
That is how you defeat terrorism!
The very worst thing you could possibly do is go weak at the knees and retreat backwards into a less free Nation!
Yet that is what Parliament has done.
Only 4 types of people benefit from making our Nation weaker and more timid …as you are today in the process of doing… and these are Criminals, Terrorists, Foreign Enemies, and a tyrannical domestic government.
Taking away New Zealanders most powerful firearms is an extremely foolish thing to do with respect to Homeland security!
God forbid that we should face a foreign invasion …. yet when an enemy knows that we have been disarmed by our own Government … that only serves to encourage them to attack us!
Far from reducing the likely hood of future terrorist attacks … by taking away the nations best guns you are making us all weaker… in resolve and in arms !
And you have succeeded in making our country a much more juicy target… ie much much less safe!
In New Zealand we have no Constitutional protection from Mob rule or the arbitrary whims of Parliament as our Bill of Rights is not worth the paper it is printed on!
We dont have a ‘Second amendment as the US does
and that is the only reason why This government and Police has been able to get away with taking us down this low road… and running Ruff shod over the rights of Gun owners…
yet this does not make what you have been doing right… even if it is Legal…
This is not the rule of Law…which is the rule of just principle…. what you guys are doing is an unprincipled exercise of arbitrary power!
It is a well understood principle of Liberty that The Police should never be allowed any part in writing the laws they are being paid to enforce!
It places too much power in their hands and is a dangerous opportunity for them to put their own interests ahead of the Rights and liberties of the people they serve….
The Police are not our masters, but our servants and from how their hierarchy have been behaving lately its high time they were reminded of this fact!
I have been actively promoting the Idea that New Zealand desperately needs a New Constitution to prevent this sort of abuse of legislative power currently afoot.
A constitution that does among other things embodies the principles of the US second amendment… yet in the absence of this today… here and now …. all I can do is appeal to this committees conscience.
I hope my submission has succeeded to some degree in giving you pause… to contemplate what direction this legislation and others like hate speech laws will carry our Nation…. and that is backwards… making us less free… and making us Weaker… more vulnerable… and more dependent…
It does not have to be this way… This committee could recommend to parliament that there is a far better and more principled ways to move forward after what happened in Christchurch….
That they should reject this program of Gun restrictions and registers… and instead boldly defend the great freedoms we have enjoyed in this country for generations… respecting our Culture and traditions that have made living here so wonderful.
Please Act now before the Police destroy all our Cultural treasures in arms!
This is pure sacrilege and vandalism!
Please don’t stuff things up for my children!
I want them to be Brave, Independent, and free.
Thank you. I am now willing to face your questions.
Update: I edited this argument slightly to fit the Supplementary Order Paper 408 -Arms legislation bill and submitted it with the following recommendation….
“I recommend this bill be rejected in total, and an independent review be taken as to how Parliament and Jacinda Ardern have circumvented due process to rush these Arms Prohibitions into Law without a legitimate mandate from the people (ie the people did not vote them into government on these serious legislative changes), or at least first waiting for the Royal Commission of Inquiry Report into the Christchurch Terror attack before making any decisions on Arms Legislation.
I would also hope such an Inquiry would investigate why the terms of reference for the Royal Commission did not allow them to investigate the process in which the arms amendment act was hastily enacted, whether the act will prevent any future attacks, or why the Commission were not instructed to thoroughly investigate the Police in how they granted Brenten Tarrant a Licence. These shortcomings in the terms of reference smacks of a political cover up as it Hog ties the commission from investigating these most essential questions.
If it is found that the Police did not fulfill their Duties correctly in granting Tarrant a licence, this would indicate that this whole series of Arms prohibitions and regulations that is being Ram Rodded home is a devious miscarriage of justice against New Zealand citizens and gun owners, because Arms legislation as it stood was already sufficient to prevent the Christchurch event if only the Police had done their Job properly.
And If all this proved to be true then the activities of Jacinda Ardern, The New Zealand Police Hierarchy should be held accountable for political corruption, and legitimacy of the Arms amendment act itself must be called into question… and preferably abolished.”
As usual it was on the last night that submissions were open that I could no longer put off writing my submission… and as usual that left me no time to do a decent job of it… no time to refine it, correct it etc etc and I have just submitted it with just over an hour till submissions close…
I post it below…
Submission of Tim Wikiriwhi on the Arms Legislation Bill
I oppose the regressive step of reintroducing a Gun registry, and any further infringements of New Zealanders current Gun Rights.
I request the Bill be scrapped.
My concerns about this second tranche of heavy handed Gun laws proposed in this Bill, is that like the preceding Arms amendment Act which criminalised Law abiding citizens who owned semiautomatic firearms… who have now been forcefully dispossessed of their rightful property having been stripped of their rights though having committed no offences whatsoever… are yet again facing more unjust treatment by our Leftist Liberal Government and Police… under equally disingenuous aims and justifications.
The way the first Tranche was shamefully enacted sets the context by which the public ought now to view with trepidation this second tranche.
That spectacle is still fresh in my mind… the underhanded way Parliament cheated David Seymour of his vote to insure a more thorough process was followed… with far more public consultation… truly contemptible behavior by Parliament for Legal rigor!
There are good reasons why those legal safeguards existed for a more thorough process and yet all parliament colluded to negate due process!
The Shame of it stinks to hell!
Parliamentarians like Ardern whose personal Globalist ideology is at variance with her duty and responsibility to the people of New Zealand, and The Police who had been lobbying to get Semiautomatic Rifles outlawed for a long time prior to the Christchurch event, have colluded together and acted in self serving ways with respect to the first tranche of Arms confiscations, and being emboldened by the ease with which they were able to Rob New Zealanders of their Rights and property…. they now have come back for a second helping with this second tranche… that is born out of the same self interest and carried forward by the same contempt for the rights, property, and Liberty of the New Zealand people!
There is little evidence that the Government’s gun buyback scheme would avoid future gun-related death and injury, the Treasury advised the Government. (ref:https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/treasury-advice-on-gun-buyback-little-evidence-it-will-avoid-gun-related-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR2ZCaHQttCvXPfJHKO9dWuokLwmMg2ywEyqsbsZxy7n9StvIFCuemWscvE)
And with this being so is it any wonder that large swathes of previously trusting New Zealanders are now starting to see through the propaganda about these arms amendments being about making our country safer, but now perceive the real underlying motivations behind these legislative actions that serve to take away the rights of New Zealanders and further empower the State?
New Zealanders like myself are not fooled by the semblance of ‘due diligence’ that this public submission process entails… New Zealanders need to ask whether or not The committees place any serious weight on concerns raised by Citizens like myself who oppose new legislation which take away the rights and property of New Zealanders and further empower the State… or as I suspect via cognitive dissonance and prejudice they dismiss voices of protest, and carry out their own ambitions… regardless.
For example I know that the committee will have received many submissions that will respectfully ask the committee to consider overseas evidence that Gun Registers are notoriously unreliable at keeping track of fire arms… and at best only keep track of those held by the law abiding… not criminals… and are very expensive to administer, and result in another bloated bureaucracy, and because they dont make society safer other countries have abandoned them And in fact it was because of facts like this that New Zealand decided the register was a waste of time and abandoned having one in the first place!
These people who make these valid points for which they have good evidence to substantiate their assertions that the reintroduction of a Gun register will not make our country safer from gun crimes are doing so under the assumption that this submission process is not a charade, and that the committee will genuinely be moved by Well reasoned arguments and appeals to facts.
These well intentioned and guileless gun owners take it on face value and have bought into the line that these proposed amendments arise from Ardern’s genuine ambition to make New Zealand safer… and that she and Parliament will be open to reason.
I suspect Ardern’s real ambition is ultimately the prohibition of all privately owned firearms… one step at a time.
I think to myself How foolish are these other citizens who appeal to the governments sense of reason!
How silly to assume that by providing facts and proofs that a gun register will not achieve the expressed outcome that our government claims to be the underpinning motive and justification for the Law changes that they will take heed of such submissions and this bill will not make it though the gauntlet into law!
I doubt this because Ardern and her Comrades keep their *Real motives and intents* hidden from the public and so they will not be swayed by such facts in the slightest… because they miss *the real mark*!
My submission on the other hand may be less congenial… but is more accurate.
Their true reason for enacting this bill and having a gun register *is about power over New Zealand gun owners*
Thus I can say with a large degree of confidence that no matter how many submission this committee receives in opposition to this bill that it will become law… the public be damned!
If after this Public consultation process it is determined *not to reintroduce a gun register* I will eat my hat!
Its already a foregone conclusion… because Ardern and the NZ Police *want the register for their unspoken nefarious goal.
All submissions and arguments and proofs about how a register is a waste of time with respect to public safety will fall on deaf ears as the *Real* purpose why Ardern and the Police want the gun register is *not about* safety or keeping guns out of criminal hands… but about making it easier for them… *The State* to implement future successive waves of Arms confiscations and make it much harder for The Citizens to refuse to comply… and this is their agenda and why a gun register *will serve the interest of Ardern and the Police very well*.
Step by step our Rights are in retreat while the jackbooks march forward until they have achieved their ultimate goal… complete firearms prohibition… the Socialist Police States wet dream!
The Draconian way Our Arden led Parliament and police have behaved post Christchurch Attack has in fact evidenced the tragic truth… The terrorist has won!
This Bill is part of an ongoing assault on the Rights of New Zealanders that represents a massive shift in personal freedom vs the Power of the State… it is part of an insidious erosion of Our Liberty and Rights that has been enthusiastically accelerated by our hostile Government and Police under the pretense of being an understandable response to the Christchurch terrorist mass murders.
A response that in fact is so ‘understandable’ it was not merely anticipated by the Terrorist himself… but carefully engineered!
Ardern and the Police have done exactly what the terrorist hoped they would do and he said so in his manifesto!
That’s the manifesto the government has banned New Zealanders from reading so that they can understand what the vile Terrorist’s actions were *really* all about for themselves.
The manifesto which our government has busied itself trying to get banned internationally.
So now New Zealanders who never watched the news reports about the manifesto… or took the opportunity to read it while it was still lawful to do so… are now expected to ‘Believe the Official narrative’.
In reality these new Gun laws have zero to do with *a rational response* to the Christchurch atrocity.
New Zealanders who are not fooled by Socialist Liberalism know our government is following the UN ‘textbook’ on ‘how to sell out your Nation to Globalism, a chief tenet of which is the disarmament of Western populations…which is why US Liberals are so hostile towards their second amendment which constitutionally protects american citizen’s gun rights from Liberal Police State confiscation.
And in this UN Socialist textbook it is the Police who benefit from all the new legislation… not the people… the people have to simply shut up… and do as they are told!
We see our Globetrotting PM promoting Anti-free speech State regulations of Social media, and yet
internet security via encryption is not welcomed… because it will hamper Government (Police) ability to spy on citizens.
Parliaments and the Police rushed Arms Amendments has sown mistrust and outrage!
Innocent and law abiding New Zealanders have been robbed of their rights and property by the collusion of Politicians and the Police.
After such belligerency is there any wonder Public opinion of the Police is at an all time low and that Ardern’s Coalition government is now tanking in the Polls?
The Vigilant citizen has every right to ask themselves what the heck is going on!
We are not the fools Ardern and the Police take us for… We know the subversive political doctrines that are being implemented by political ideologues and a belligerent Police Hierarchy.
We can see the direction you are taking our Nation… and we protest!
It was also the very height of presumption for Ardern to ‘Pontificate’ ‘that firearm ownership is not a right but merely a privilege’ … This statement coming down from on high is not *a fact* but her personal opinion that is worth no more than any other New Zealanders… no matter how often it was repeated in the press since.
That this utterance has become the dominant premise being peddled to the New Zealand public is a disgrace!
If such a position were to be accepted as a Fact that would render New Zealanders not Free citizens who enjoy the greatest Liberty… but sorry subjects of an Authoritarian State that rules by despotic Laws and powers!
Ask yourselves how it is that our society should slide so far!…. So fast!…so that now we are told we can no long enjoy the great freedoms we have had for generations?
The people of Venezuela surrendered their Guns and now cant overthrow their tyrannical Socialist government.
This is what the U.S second Amendment was enacted to prevent.
This is the Truth that Ardern and the globalists want to keep you all ignorant of….
They want you to hate the 2nd amendment which is the Peoples right to use arms to defend themselves and bring down a corrupt State.
They even had ‘Article 350’ which states “The people of Venezuela, faithful to their republican tradition, its struggle for independence, peace and freedom, shall disown any regime, legislation or authority that runs counters to democratic values, principles and guarantees, or that undermines human rights.”… and yet because the People foolishly surrendered their arms *They rendered themselves defenseless and had no way to get rid of the evil Dictatorship^… and so now they are victims… and dying by the thousands…. and the so-called benevolent Socialist Regime shows them no mercy… because the socialists care more about maintaining their grip on power than the well being of their own people…. understand that….
Ardern has used the Christchurch terror attack as an excuse to implement her own tyranical ambitions under the guise of making New Zealand safer… and the fools believed her… and allowed her to make us less safe!
Less safe from Terrorism, and certainly less safe from her Tyrannical Police State.
She has not disarmed any criminals… but has disarmed Law abiding New Zealanders.
It is no coincidence that she has attacked New Zealanders Gun Rights and seeks to destroy our rights to Free Speech… which is the right to call her out for imposing her oppressive new Laws.
This pattern of disdain for the rights of their citizens has been repeated all over wherever Socialism has prevailed… think about Tiananmen Square.
Think about Zimbabwe.
The Globalists *are Marxist communists* …. Ardern is a Communist traitor to the globalist cause…. she admitted this at the UN…..
Ardern is Corrupt!
She is putting our National interests second place to her own diabolical political delusions!
She is like so many treasonous Leaders across western civilisation like France’s Macron and Canada’s Trudeau.
Why do you think the whole World’s media and Globalist politicians see Trump as being ‘Evil incarnate’?
Why do you suppose they are all busy trying to get the people of the world to think of trump as being insane, Racist, and greedy?
and why do you think the Globalists have prevented Boris Johnson from implementing the express will of the people with regards to Brexit?
Why do you think they Put Tommy Robinson in Jail and have de-platformed the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos?
Wake up Fools!
Compare Ardern’s treacherous speech to that of Donald Trump!
Trump is far from perfect, yet his speech at the UN was a Truth Bomb!
The fanatical Left seek to shut down *anyone* who dares to challenge their agenda.
Look at Venezuela and realise the same fate of slavery awaits any population who surrenders to socialism and allows them to pass laws against free speech and the right of the people to bear arms… esp Arms like Semi-autos.
The New ‘Gun register’ is not being implemented to make New Zealand safer from criminals or terrorists but to make it easier for the government to take away the rest of New Zealanders means of resisting their tyranical globalist ambitions.
Soon voices like mine will be silenced.
Remember when you and your children are slaves…. that I warned you what was coming… and yet you did nothing.
And free speech is the right for me to expound these Truths that the government does not want the people to contemplate.
The Government wants this sort of political truth to be deemed as ‘Radical and Dangerous’… when it is Our Right to discuss these matters which upholds the fact that the State is *our servant… not our Master… and we may abolish it at any time we deem it to have become tyrannical and corrupt.
These truths are enunciated in the American declaration of independence,
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
These are Historic truths!
This is what the 2nd amendment is all about and why New Zealand needs a new constitution that contains these truths which outlaws the government from passing such Laws as they have just recently done with the Arms Amendment bill.
I am planning to make a written submission to
‘The Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Attack on Christchurch Mosques’.
Submissions close at 5pm Friday 27 September 2019.
A Brief piece of *Propaganda* is offered as an explanation of the general purpose of the inquiry….
” The Government announced that a Royal Commission of Inquiry would look into what State sector agencies knew about the individual’s activities before the attack, what, if anything, they did with that information, what measures agencies could have taken to prevent the attack, and what measures agencies should take to prevent such attacks in the future.
The Royal Commission is to present its report, by 10 December 2019, so the Government can reassure the New Zealand public, including its Muslim communities, that all appropriate measures are being taken to keep people safe.”
IE we are told that this is a genuine inquiry to make Us safer and prevent this happening again.
This is Bullshit.
I can already tell that this Inquiry is a Scam… by checking out the ‘Terms of Reference’ which are the instructions from Parliament that set the scope of the inquiry… what Parliament wants the inquiry to investigate and what it is prohibited from investigating… well in these ‘terms of reference’ (re: the link) we see that Ardern… in cahoots with the Police have already loaded the dice both to avoid the commission finding fault with the police leading up to the event, or with the governments actions after the event:
(A) no investigation will be made to inquire *into what failures the police made in issuing Tarrant a licence*
So this inquiry is designed to feign a rigorous investigations into the root causes… and yet one of the most vital aspects that need investigating… *How the Police could issue this foreign terrorist a Licence* … is *not* part of the investigation… thereby meaning the Police will not have to explain to the Public how and why they got it so wrong!
So there goes probably the most essential aspect of this horrific affair saving the Police and Government any fears of getting caught out as in any way culpable!
(B) the Commission is expressly forbidden from inquiring
or commenting on the New Arms amendments!
So what this means is if we the public present arguments that evidences that the new arms amendments actually make us *less safe*… the Commission is expressly forbidden from investigation this further or making recommendations *that may be contrary to Arderns ambitions to confiscate more guns!
So again the terms of reference *protect the Government and Police* from any lines of inquiry that calls into question their activities and Arms prohibition agenda!
So this means it is almost pointless submitting to the commission that a far better way to make NZ safer is to *strengthen* our rights to self defense rather than diminish them … which just goes to show just how much ‘hot air’ the claim that this is an honest investigation designed to fully inquire what was done wrong and what could be done better to help prevent this happening again.
It appears as if via the terms of reference the Police may even be handed an alibi.
Though they will not be facing any investigation into how well they adhered to their responsibilities and due processes on issuing licencees, I can see that if it appears that Tarrant was a complete unknown to intelligence agencies that this will not only be used to excuse the police for issuing him a licence (though members of the Gun community question the Polices procedural rigor) There is every likelihood that this Royal commission will ‘recommend’ an escalation in Police powers and intrusions!
This is a Farcical Charade…. A Whitewash!
Ardern’s Police state agenda against the people of New Zealand will keep chugging forward… under the pretense of National security against Terrorism.
Yet still I am going to make a submission and include a protest about these things… and at least they will become a matter of public record, because all submissions are kept and are available to the public to read…. and so I encourage people to get a submission together in the next 9 days.
P.S When is the government going to put Brenton Tarrant on Trial?
Whats taking so long?
Its been 6 months already!
The Longer they delay the more likely He will be rendered unfit to stand… is that what the government wants?
Is that their plan?
Or are they delaying until they can squeeze a guilty plea out of him so that we the public never get to hear all the facts????
Just remember there was no proper trial held in Australia after the squeezed a Guilty plea out of a psychologically damaged Martin Bryant for in respect to the Port Arthur Attack and that means no open and thorough scrutiny of the matter ever took place.
The Terms of Reference, set by the New Zealand Government, can be read in full here.
Translated versions are available as PDFs.
Summary of the Terms of Reference
The following is a brief summary of the Terms of Reference. It does not replace the specifics set out in the full Terms of Reference.
On 15 March 2019, an individual attacked the Al-Noor Mosque and the Linwood Islamic Centre in Christchurch while worshippers were at prayer. Fifty-one people were killed and more than 50 others injured, some seriously.
A man has been charged with offences related to the attack. His trial is due to take place in May 2020.
The Government announced that a Royal Commission of Inquiry would look into what State sector agencies knew about the individual’s activities before the attack, what, if anything, they did with that information, what measures agencies could have taken to prevent the attack, and what measures agencies should take to prevent such attacks in the future.
The Royal Commission is to present its report, by 10 December 2019, so the Government can reassure the New Zealand public, including its Muslim communities, that all appropriate measures are being taken to keep people safe.
Scope of Inquiry
The Royal Commission is to examine:
what State sector agencies knew about the accused attacker, before 15 March 2019
what State sector agencies did (if anything) with that knowledge
whether there was anything else State sector agencies could have done to prevent the attack
what else State sector agencies should do to prevent such attacks in the future.
The Royal Commission also needs to investigate the accused attacker’s activities before 15 March 2019, including:
his time in Australia
his arrival and residence in New Zealand
his travel within New Zealand, and internationally
how he obtained a gun licence, weapons, and ammunition
his use of social media and other online media
his connections with others, whether in New Zealand or internationally.
The Royal Commission must make findings on:
whether State agencies had information that could have alerted them to the attack
how State agencies worked with each other and shared information
whether State agencies failed to anticipate the attack because they were focused elsewhere
whether State agencies were in some way at fault
any other matters to provide a complete report.
The Royal Commission must make recommendations on:
what improvements could be made to the way State agencies gather, share and analyse information
how State agency systems could be improved to prevent future attacks
any other matters to provide a complete report.
These recommendations could include changes to legislation (except firearm legislation), policy, rules, standards or practices.
What the Royal Commission can’t look at
The Royal Commission cannot inquire into:
the guilt or innocence of any individual who has been, or may be, charged with offences in relation to the attack
amendments to firearms legislation
activity by entities/organisations outside the State sector (such as media platforms)
the response to the attack once it had begun.
The Royal Commission can consult with a range of groups, individuals and agencies to help with its inquiries. It must also appoint a person, or people, to help it engage with New Zealand’s Muslim communities.
The Royal Commission must act in a way to minimise the chance that its processes or report could be used for unlawful activities or damage the public interest.
The Royal Commission can suppress any confidential information it receives in order to protect public safety, avoid prejudicing the Government’s international relationships and maintenance of the law. In order keep this confidence, the Royal Commission may conduct its inquiry, or parts of it, in private.
The Royal Commission must present its report, including its findings and recommendations, to the Governor-General, in writing, no later than 10 December 2019. The Royal Commission may also make interim recommendations to the Governor-General at any time.
Before presenting its final report, the Royal Commission must also determine if there are any matters that should be referred to the Intelligence and Security Committee, the Minister responsible for the intelligence and security agencies, or the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security first.
Photo: The late Great Charlton Heston addressing the North American Rifle Association ‘From my cold dead hands’… in defiance of attempts by government to nullify American’s gun rights.
New Hub: ‘A 25-year-old Auckland man has been arrested and charged after claiming his prohibited firearms had been stolen in a false statement to police.
Police received a report of a burglary at a Coatesville property around 10pm on Thursday, 18 July.
The man claimed his garage had been broken into and the burglars had stolen two guns – a 9mm pistol and a rifle – from his gun safe the previous night.
Following a scene examination and a number of enquiries, the man allegedly admitted to police that he had hidden the guns.
The officers subsequently discovered the pistol and rifle, alongside two other semi-automatic firearms, hidden in the ceiling cavity of the property’s walk-in wardrobe, confirms Detective Senior Sergeant Nadene Richmond.
The man has been charged with making a false statement and is due to appear in North Shore District Court on Friday. It is likely he will face further firearms charges.
So New Zealand has its first Legal Gun Owner criminalized by resisting this freshly baked oppressive Law.
No doubt he is just the first of many more to come.
This shows us what we already knew… that contrary to all the Spin spouted by State Authorities via a sycophantic media about ‘overwhelming support and willing compliance from the gun community , that in reality there are Gun owners out there who are not happy at all, and some are determined not to comply, and instead are intending to keep their guns…. and who can blame them?
The extent of this rebellious spirit is a great unknown to the Police as they dont have a clue about how many Guns they have rendered Illegal by their new arms amendments or who owns them, yet these facts dont deter them from claiming the vast majority of owners are willing to comply.
We can understand why they are maintaining this empty rhetoric as they are relying on that narrative to dampen any hopes by wavering gun owners, that there might be a large number of the gun Community who are bravely sticking to their guns in defiance of the new laws.
This Aucklander was one of these ‘obstinate’ types!
Not cowered by the threats!
Obviously passionate about his guns and Angry about the Governments new prohibitions, and so he hatched a plot to keep his firearms.
In his mind… Desperate times called for desperate measures!
The Police are not playing games and obviously turned his place over pretty good.
Not a smart move attempting to hide them on his own property… With Expert search teams, powerful metal detectors, Dogs, and other gadgets the Police can scan through Walls, Deep down in Gardens, under concrete, and easily find Metallic objects hidden behind recently painted Closet linings and False panels etc.
And they can track where people have carried their phones with GPS accuracy out into the bush… they have surveillance cameras in Parks and Bush walks.
The cards are heavily stacked against anyone who plans to stash their Guns and wait in hope of ‘Regime change’.
It would take great ingenuity to defeat all this technology which is at the Police’s disposal.
Of course it can be done… Gangs and Crims have been doing it yet it takes far more Cunning, and extreme caution than this poor sod employed… esp at such times as this when the Police are watching out for this sort of attempted evasion and pouring in immense resources.
‘The man has been charged with making a false statement and is due to appear in North Shore District Court on Friday. It is likely he will face further firearms charges’
They cant line him up against a wall and execute him, nonetheless we can bet money that they will ask the Court to come down on him like a ton of bricks … make an example out of him to ‘encourage any other ‘hesitant stubborn types’ into compliance.
“This prosecution also sends a message to the small minority who may choose not to comply – if they try to hide their firearms, they can face prosecution. The risk is not worth it.”
Detective Senior Sergeant Nadene Richmond.
I hope the Gun community is not too harsh on this guy… he is to be pitied.
Remember his ‘Crime’ is seeking to keep his own property that has been unjustly Outlawed via a shambolic legal process.
Remember also what has happened to the Venezuelans who complied with their Governments Gun confiscations.
There are certain times in which telling lies to dangerous powers is mortally excusable (read here)
In many principled peoples minds this guy tried something heroic… he tried to resist tyranny.
This man is a socially engineered criminal…a victim of corrupt and unjust Government… all of whom should be thrown out of office at the next election, and their New Arms amendments ought rightly to be abolished.
Now he will pay the price for his insolent rebellion of Ardern’s dictates.
It is time for the People of New Zealand, and esp the Gun Community to start protesting against Jacinda Ardern’s relentless expansion of the powers of the state and her absolute disregard for the Rights and Liberties of the New Zealand people!
She is turning our nation into a Police State!
She has just announced *more Firearms legislation!*
There you have it in black in white… We have a Prime Minister who does not believe the people of New Zealand have any *Rights* to own firearms!
The people of New Zealand must snap out of their shameful lethargy… and step up!
We must put Ardern out of office and Parliament in its place*… as our servants!
They are not our overlords! Not the givers of privileges that they may withdraw upon their own whims!
The New Zealand gun community had better wake up to the fact that New Zealand needs an Iron clad Libertarian constitution and a bill of rights that *has teeth*… complete with *’second amendment type Gun rights’ which will put an end to the power tripping delusions of the likes of Ardern!
Thats why the Founding Fathers of America wrote the second amendment!
Stand up for your Rights! or soon you will have no guns… because you accepted the despicable Socialist idea that gun ownership is just a privilege that may be granted by government… or taken away!
The best Party represented in Parliament today is ACT.
I believe all Liberty lovers, Conservatives, and Gun Owners need to rally under the Act banner *NOW!*
Grow their Ranks… and see them enter parliament after the next election with far more Mps. David Seymour has been the only voice of opposition to New Zealand’s slide into Lefty Liberal Hell.
For all Her Post Christchurch Virtue Signalling about ‘making New Zealand safer’, New Zealand’s Woke Liberal Marxist PM Jacinda Ardern’s rushed Gun confiscations do exactly *nothing* to remove firearms from the hands of Gangs and Criminals… in fact suggestions that the Gun Buy back scheme should include a legal amnesty for guns which are illegally obtained and held was flatly rejected!
Take 5 and let that fact sink in!
As a Libertarian who believes in the right to bear arms in self defense, and who sees the New Arms Act amendments as patently unjust.. and nothing short of worst kind of oppressive political opportunism against a sector of New Zealand society she holds in contempt…framed under a cloak of Lofty Statesmanship and Beneficence by a dangerous power tripper to drive home an oppressive ideological policy for which she had harbored ambitions for a very long time… Yes… I make no secret of my personal angst for what has transpired… and it is a matter I ponder upon a great deal… and of late my thoughts have focused upon this… Gob smacking aspect of the charade…. that Ardern and her minions have expressly denied the means by which Criminals may hand in their illegal weapons!
That is a Staggering fact!
And it’s a weighty proof that this whole Arms Prohibition has zero to do with making New Zealand safer, but that what is really her ambition is the systematic dis-armament of the Innocent and Law abiding people of New Zealand.
Indeed *they are the only people* who are having their firearms confiscated under the threat of jail!
Now there was quite a stir caused among the general population recently when a Leader of one of New Zealand’s most notorious Gangs… The Mongrel Mob… openly admitted that His gang would not surrender any of their guns! (Read here)
New Zealanders were confronted by the reality that the Gun confiscations would not remove ‘weapons’ from Criminals whom are most responsible for Gun crimes… yet I dont know why anyone would be surprised by this Gang Leaders frank and honest declaration… only Idiots think that Laws prevent Outlaws from doing Illegal things!
What has heavily impacted upon my ruminations of late has been *the far more mind blowing fact* that Jacinda Ardern and the Police have provided *no means* by which Gang members and Crims could hand in their illegal arms… *Even if they wanted to!*
This is a *Massive Flaw*… a gigantic stumbling block.. in achieving the desideratum these Power Trippers claim to be the fundamental purpose of the New Prohibitions… less guns in the wrong hands!
Far be it my desire to instruct the government on how to conduct their tyrannical ambitions, yet surely only fools cannot see the benefit of offering amnesty and Compensation for any illegally held firearms to be surrendered… no questions asked!
Not only can we be sure that this would remove *some guns* that are illegally held, but the Propaganda value of this move would be immense… and go a long way to quelling the angst of the law abiding Gun community that they alone have been target for disarmament!
One would think that every gun surrendered by criminals would be of much more significance in making New Zealand safer than any removed from the hands of the law abiding Citizenry … not only because it is the guns that are in criminal hands that are the greatest threat to both the police and the general public… yet especially because it is far more likely for would be future terrorists to gain their weapons on the black market… from this *this illegal cache* that is in the hands of Bad character types.
Any Fears that such an offer could generate a wave of new Gun thefts by criminals hoping to cash in on the Buy back scheme could be quashed by a caveat: that any guns handed in that were found to be stolen after the start of the gun buy back scheme would forfeit amnesty.
In reality the Draconian way the government and Police have acted in passing the new prohibitions, and their Bumbling and irrationally conceived ‘buy back’ scheme is guranteed to result in a minimum of compliance, and an even greater number of Firearms moving into Criminal hands and being available on the black market!
Precisely as Act Party’s David Seymour has warned!
Gun Buy back schemes have a history of failure…
The Truth is that even the Australian Gun Buy back scheme when they outlawed semi-automatics after the Port Arthur Massacre only succeeded in removing and estimated 20% of the newly prohibited types, leaving a whopping 80% to be retained by Australians illegally, and many now changing hands on the black market.
I have read that there are 5 million plus illegally held firearms in Australia.
“In Australia it is estimated that only about 20% of all banned self-loading rifles have been given up to the authorities,” wrote Franz Csaszar, professor of criminology at the University of Vienna, after Australia’s 1996 compensated confiscation of firearms following a mass murder in Port Arthur, Tasmania. Csaszar put the number of illegally retained arms in Australia at between two and five million.” (Read here)
We can expect a similar result here in New Zealand.
Anyway, the likelihood of the government and Police modifying their current position that only seeks to disarm Lawful Gun owners is virtually nill, and so the thrust of this Blogpost will remain on solid ground, and the entire Self interested Pre-meditation of Ardern and The New Zealand Police to trample underfoot the Rights of Law abiding citizens… making New Zealand less safe… and Less free… under the thumb of a Socialist Police State.
We all know what is coming next… even more Gun control… and esp more suppression of our rights… esp our right to Critical free speech of this Oppressive Socialist regime’s treasonous selling out of our country to the UN Globalist Agenda.
The very same policies are being enacted all across Western Civilisation… wherever Socialist Liberals have taken power.
Christchurch Terrorist Brenton Tarrant is laughing his arse off!
He has played the New Zealand government like Marionettes!
They are doing everything he intended to happen!
Our Government has not thwarted him… it has played directly into his hands!
The government has forbidden New Zealanders under threat of Jail from accessing, or owning any copies of his ‘manifesto’ by which they could apprehend for themselves just how much the Ardern government and Police are dancing to his fiddle!
Chew on those facts!
I dont have any copies of that now prohibited text… but I have a very good memory of what it says!
They are powerless to censor *my mind!*
Yet still I can guarantee you Ardern and the Police will not be happy with these Truth Bombs I am laying down here!
I guarantee you they would love to throw me in their Gulag for daring to state these facts!
I guarantee you they are scheming how to write legislation to silence voices like mine by force.
And the way they do that is by feigning that somehow people like me are a danger to society…
Yet everything thing I have said here… I have the *Natural Human Right* and the *just Liberty* to say… and to publish!
Any Government or Police who seek to criminalise their critics (like myself) *are manifestly corrupt*.
None of this is written in ‘hate’ against any sector of our society… but against State injustice.
None of it may be construed to be ‘alt right’… and none of it should at all be considered ‘radical’!
It is the pain truth… Common Sense… and written in defense of justice… against the patent injustice and abuse of power by our Parliament and Police.
In the Spirit of Peaceful Protest… of the likes of Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and many other voices for justice against oppression, I raise my voice… let he that hath an ear… let him hear.
How far will our government go in the suppression of dissent and the implementation of Tyrannical laws?
From what I know of the globalist agenda I fear the worst is yet to come.
Reading the above ‘post’ from a Facebook Group, it is apparent the New Zealand Police continue with their belligerent attitude towards Law abiding and innocent Gun Owners.
If the report is accurate, they intend to run the ‘Gun Buy back scheme’ in such a way that is bound to cause Maximum Grievance and minimum compliance!
They are supposed to ‘Buy back’ the guns recently outlawed by Jacinda Ardern via shambolic legal processes, yet the scene is set for them to Under-value everything and thereby under compensate people for the Fire arms they are confiscating and destroying.
There is every reason to be suspicious given the dubious ‘process’ that has been ‘un-officially described’ and the paucity of the Governments allocation of a mere $168 million for compensation.
Alarm Bells should be ringing!!!!!
It is easy to infer The Government are more concerned about keeping costs down rather than paying a just price, which will virtually guarantee many Gun owners will rebel against being *Robbed of their property by the Police*.
The official details will be released on Thursday.
If it pans out that the Police intend to under compensate Gun owners, why should they comply with such extortion?
The Police are obviously relying on intimidation to cause compliance out of shear terror.
We all know how Jackbooted the New Zealand police have become… They expect compliance to their unjust terms simply because *they have the guns and the legal authority to destroy your life if you dont obey…. Raid your home… point Guns at your wife and Kids… and take you away if they find *anything*.
And this appears to be the Stance the police are taking.
They are delivering an Ultimatum… Treating gun Owners as if they are Criminals.
Unless the Police front up with a fair Deal, it will only be under an atmosphere of Coercive threats that people will comply and part with their property for a sum they consider unfair.
This is not a fair and reasonable transaction but Bully Boy Gangsterism… using Stand over tactics… extorting the property from helpless victims!
This is not Justice but Terrorism by the State!
This is what a Police State looks like!
I am not a Gun owner and so this Extortion Racket will not directly affect me YET I AM ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED that the process (post above) is what the Police have concocted to ‘Relieve Gun Owners of their property’ before they settle what compensation they will pay!
They leave you zero recourse…. any pretense to ‘an appeal’ is farcical…. once they have your property there is no intensive to pay you anything more. *nor any Legal requirement for them to do so!*
Parliament has left the Door open for large scale rip offs to occur without legal redress … and the Police know this.
I guarantee you when you hear this process has begun we will hear stories to low payments and failed appeals…
The Gun Community must Rally Now!!!!!
You must organise.
You must pool some money to stage a legal challenge now.
This group must preemptively Value some guns before handing some over and see what the Buy back scheme pays out.
If it is Robbing people You must all act collectively and refuse to comply until they pay you what your property is worth… *thats what Buy back means … and they are claiming this is a Buy back scheme…. which *always means the price is agreed and paid before the property changes hands NOT AFTER!!!
The Gun community must demand what means the Police are using to deem the value of what they are ‘Buying back’.
Many of you will be thinking The same thing yet will be scared to speak up because as you may have herd that Police are threatening to take away licences from Gun owners who even talk about non-compliance!
This is what tyranny looks like.
Of course the Police will not appreciate me saying these things, or calling the Gun Community to rally in defense of their Rights and Property.
The Police would love to make it Illegal to even *talk about* non-compliance to their plans.
Yet Peaceful and principled Civil disobedience has been one of the most potent forms of democratic/people power resistance to Government tyranny and fighting Bad Laws.
Free Speech, and Freedom of association, and protest are some of the most important rights of the people to challenge State injustice, and the Police have no right to criminalise people for organising themselves into peaceful resistance and protest.
Any cursory study of the history of Rights and law reform bears witness to countless examples whereby Good people with righteous causes have used peaceful civil disobedience to fight legal injustice… in fact Few would be instances where law reform has been achieved *without protest* or Civil Disobedient non-compliance.
This always takes Brave and principled People to risk persecution by the State…violence, arrest, and even jail for the sake of Truth and justice.
I realise that though the Recent Arms amendments were enacted via farcical practices (esp on the part of the Police playing legislators) that there is now a legal obligation for Gun owners to comply, and that ultimately non-compliance will be in violation of the new laws and risks Prosecution, yet the Police ought not to be running the Buy back in such a Nazi-like fashion!
They should not be allowed to destroy *any guns* before the owners have agreed to accept the compensation offered to them and any owners who believe the offer is not sufficient their Guns should not be destroyed but become part of a second process whereby the owner makes a claim to value, and independent experts access this via Market values over seas… like for like.
Only by treating gun owners with respect can the New Zealand Police maintain Mana and receive Respect in return from the gun owning community, and gain maximum compliance.
Remember these people have done nothing wrong and they deserve to be fully compensated for what the Ardern Government has done.
We all know the Weasles in Parliament dont want to acknowledge the full amount of how many hundreds of Millions of Tax Slave Dollars they have wasted on this tyrannical legislation.
And if this Buy back scheme turns out to be a gigantic rip off how many Good People may end up in Jail because they refused to allow the government to under pay them for their property?
They will be treated like dangerous criminals instead of the victims of dangerously Corrupt government, and as such we can be sure the Jackbooted and Militarised NZ Police will not hesitate to Shoot people dead over the smallest acts of resistance.
Weep you sheeple of New Zealand!
You have allowed your Government to become Drunk on Power!
P.S Please share this blogpost on facebook for me as I am currently under a 30 day ban. Cheers!
Govt’s offer to gun owners unfair, risks public safety
Thu, 20 Jun, 2019
“The Government risks creating a large black market by offering gun owners less than fair market value for newly-banned firearms and by putting political theatre above public safety”, ACT Leader David Seymour says.
“ACT believes that if the government confiscates private property it must compensate owners by paying them fair market value. The only way the Government will retrieve all newly-prohibited firearms, and keep the public safe, is if it offers owners reasonable compensation. It has failed to do that.
“There is now a serious risk that compliance with the buyback scheme will be low and that firearms will go underground. If a significant number of guns are not handed in, the Government risks creating a black market of illegal firearms without any regulatory oversight. That may be a more dangerous world than we had prior to March 15.
“The large public events at which gun owners will be made to hand in their firearms puts political theatre above public safety. The Government wishes to create a spectacle of weapons being destroyed en masse but, by taking the approach it has, there is no guarantee all guns will be handed in. This is the made-for-TV approach to public policy that has become Jacinda Ardern’s trademark.
Read more here
Leading New Zealand ammunition seller warns of ‘revolution’ over Government’s gun buyback scheme
The owner of one of New Zealand’s largest ammunition companies has warned of a violent revolution if gun owners feel shortchanged by the Government’s gun buyback scheme.
Paul Clark’s company, New Zealand Ammunition, supplies both the Police and the Defence Force. He told RNZ’s Checkpoint that many gun owners were planning to intentionally skirt the law by hiding their banned weapons.
He was “absolutely sure” that gun owners or organisations would appeal to the courts over the proposed prices of the gun buyback, and he was currently considering taking an action himself.
He said that if gun owners could not access the courts “the only alternative is revolution”.
When asked by host Lisa Owen what he meant by “revolution”, Clark said “Literally, what I just said. What have you got to lose? What other alternatives have you got in life?”…
One Kiwifruit Orchardist drove all the way from Te Puke to Te Awamutu tonight so that he might stare National Party MPs Barbara Kuriger and Chris Bishop in the eye and tell them how the New Arms legislation they helped enact has not only turned him into a criminal, but also has grievously impacted on his business… affecting his ability to deal with vermin… rabbits,possums, goats, deer and many other unwanted pests that attack his crop and dig holes that endanger his workers in the field.
The National party plan to run a series of meetings around the country to discuss ongoing Gun legislation, this meeting was held at the Te Awamutu RSA, and was attended by a large mob of highly pissed off gun owners looking for blood!
I would estimate there was 300 people in attendance… filling the RSA main hall (The Mps admitted they were only expecting to use a much smaller space) and 90% of the people made it clear they felt utterly betrayed by the National party’s shameful collusion with the Labour Party coalition to rob them of their Gun rights.
From the very start many made it clear they were not interested in hearing weasel excuses, and demanded the two Mps *listen to the people*
More than one Farmer stood up and repeated they suffer same problems about pest control as the guy from Te Puke, and were outraged!
Adding the fact that not only was loosing their AR Semiautomatics a matter affecting the humane dispatching of Pests, but that it is expensive and impracticable to hire Pest control experts..who were also represented at the meeting and bitter that they too are also heavily affected by the legislation and in danger of being shut down unless by some miracle the Police find it in their hearts to grant them an exemption.
One Pest control businessman warns Banning AR semiautomatics will result in a massive increase in pest numbers.
There were Sports shooters and collectors who tore strips off these two National Party Representatives for basically destroying the things they are passionate about.
The people were not impressed with the weak excuses and outright dishonesty they received in response.
Both Kuriger and Bishop tried in vain to shift the blame onto Jacinda Ardern for how the rushed enactment of the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill was a farcical and contemptuous violation of Due Democratic process. They told lies that they had no way of either slowing down the Juggernaut, or any power to alter the scope of the Bill … All falsehoods… none of it believed by the people present.
The Crowd was seething about the disgusting Police raids that are afoot…. guns being pointed at children,etc and after many people had expressed how incensed about how their sports, hunting and businesses were directly impacted, Ex New Zealand First candidate for Northcote Kym Koloni tore strips off them saying “Nobody gives a shit what policies you are going to take into the next election, we care what you are going to do about this Right Now!”
“Grow some Balls!, and start acting like a real opposition party or you had better make sure your CV is up to date because you will soon be out of a Job!”
She finished off by calling NZ First Leader, current deputy Prime minister Winston Peters and his sidekick, and Minister of Defense Ron Mark Traitors.
The Public Grilling lasted for over two hours.
One person quoted Jacinda Ardern Pre- Christchurch Terror attack as having stated that “It would take a Port Arthur type event in New Zealand before heavier Gun restrictions could be passed”
So Australian Brenton Tarrant provided her with the perfect opportunity to strike at New Zealanders Gun rights.
Chris Bishop was on the Committee that was supposed to have read the 12000 written submissions and herd the mere 20 people who were allowed to deliver Oral submissions, and told the crowd that though he could not disclose the Committee conversations, he said that some of the National party committee members tried to get exemptions for sports shooters yet were ‘unable to sway Labours Minister of Police Stuart Nash.
Nobody present believed they tried very hard!
The two Mps tried to hide their personal complicity in voting for the bill by saying that as it was not a conscience vote…’They had little choice’ but to vote as a block for what their Party Caurcus deemed would be the party position on the bill… to which one of the people cried out that in doing so they betrayed their local constituencies who have voted for them to take care of their communities interest … not kowtowing to their own party interests!
Chris Bishop admitted the legislation has Flaws… yet National still decided to vote for it despite this fact…. The People called that a betrayal of their duty!
One guys stood up and said instead of Banning all these Guns and having to spend a billion dollars on the buy back scheme why didn’t parliament instead legislate to shift these guns into the ‘E’ category which entails higher security gun safes, and personal vetting? to which Chris Bishop admitted that was probably a much better approach… yet offered no reason why that obviously less severe… more fair option was not considered.
That is when I got the opportunity to stand up and explain the facts.
1. These two MPs are not telling the truth as they were party to the shameful episode in the house in which Trevour Mallard and Chris Hipkins deviously took advantage of David Seymours late arrival to agree to speeding up the enactment of this legislation… the whole national party had the opportunity to slow down this process by a simple ‘No’ vote to Hipkins petition to race this bill into Law.
2. I said the reason why the lesser path of moving these arms to E cat rather than the outright prohibition was never considered *was because this was never about taking a rational approach because the Police had wanted to get these guns outlawed for years… way before the Christchurch attack… *That was the point of this Bill as far as what the Police wanted*
And I reminded them that there was a Safeguard of democracy that was being violated by the Police writing the legislation they also enforce!
Ie The principle of the Separation of Powers!
That is why The farmers got no exemptions, why the Sports shooters got no Exemptions, and why the Collectors got no exemptions!
*The Police were only interested in getting what they wanted*… to hell with everyone elses rights!
It did not matter that the people who are loosing their guns have committed no crimes.
What mattered is that the Police got what they wanted, and Ardern got what she wanted.
And the National party were fully complicit in all of it!
To Chris Bishops credit he acknowledged what I said about excessive Police power and influence in the way the amendment was framed was true.
Chris and Barbara said they were taking all this criticism on board and would report back to their party the views and feelings expressed tonight and would do their best to try and get some easement… some exemptions for Sports people, Collectors, and for pest control when ‘Round two’ of Gun legislation begins shortly.
They also mentioned round two may involve the possibility of a Gun register, of a review of what defines ‘a fit and proper person’… which is a frightening possibility that New amendments and definitions may allow the Police the discretion to deny firearms licences to anyone who expresses opinions or criticisms that neither the Police of Government appreciate… under the pretext that contrary views entail evidence that a person is not fit.
We only need to contemplate the fact that during Kiwi gun blog’s Mike Loders oral submission opposing the new arms amendments, that Judith Colins questioned if he was a fit and proper person to hold a gun licence.
One Gun collector talked about the fact that she had bought her grandson an antique lever action rifle to celebrate him getting his gun license… but now with the new Arms act ammendments his Rife … a gift from his loving grandmother …has been rendered illegal because of its tube mag capacity!
*These are the sorts of Rights violations that have been perpetrated by Ardern, and Parliament against Law abiding New Zealanders!
Its a Power Grab!
More was said on both sides yet what was clear to the people present was that National party had sold them out.
I think its easy to infer the event was a bust for the National Party, who were sent home with their tails between their legs.
They have been given notice of the depth of the Peoples contempt for what they have done.
One Name however shone like a spotlight throughout the evening… Acts David Seymour!
His name would have been spoken over a dozen times and how he carried himself with courage and principle …though out this anti-gun craze… while all the rest of Parliament *Laughed* in his face and showed utter disregard for sound principles of Law, and due process.
Howls of betrayal rang out at the mention of Winston Peters and Ron Mark.
Seymour was used as an exemplar … “Why did not you two do what David Seymour did????”
I think The Act Party are looking to get a serious boost of Support from the Gun owning community of New Zealand.
The National party may think twice about rolling out these meetings across the country now they have had a taste of the wrath of the people… who wont be fooled by lame excuses for their betrayal.
Another important thing this meeting taught me is that any well organised protest down at Wellington would be well attended.
The Gun community needs to rally!
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One thing that has occurred to me with regards to one of the Police wish list for the second round of gun regulations they are lobbying for ie: for a revision of what defines ‘a fit and proper person’ to hold a Gun licence, is not only that they will seek greater discretionary powers to refuse licences to individuals on the basis of lawful comments made on Social media that they dont like… maybe criticism of the Police… maybe critisism of Government policy that the Police like… but they are also Cunningly setting up a whole avenue of excuses to absolve themselves from culpability with respect to the up and coming inquiry they are facing with respect to why they gave Brenton Tarrant a gun licence.
You see if they posit the Idea that the current definition has significant failings… they will be able to argue that they fulfilled their obligations *as the definition now stands*… and that it is *insufficient concept* of who is ‘a fit and proper person’ that is to blame and proof that the government needs to ‘make it broader’ … ie give the Police more power and grounds to refuse licences on their own discretion and judgement.
Remember the Government and Police are only interested in this process being a one way road… in their favour… more power to them, less rights … and even less people allowed to hold *any* firearms.
Do not hold any delusions about this process being fair… or reasonable… or Prudent… or has any concern for the Rights and Liberties of Lawful gun owners.
A redefinition on who is deemed to be a fit and proper person to hold a fire arms licence will also trigger a whole new wave of Police raids Raids and confiscations…
The New Gun Prohibition is a massive weakening of our Nations Defense capability.
You have to have rocks in your head if you believe New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern’s new Firearms prohibitions outlawing Citizens from owning Semiautomatic Rifles and high capacity magazines has made our Nation safer.
Removing these Rifles from Citizens will render our Nation far less capable of National defense, which given how weak New Zealand’s Defense forces are already, we need to have a large percentage of our population well armed and competent as auxiliaries to our meager Armed forces for National defense against invasion.
Ardern and in fact our entire parliament except Act’s David Seymour have shown total disregard for the obvious and monumental *strategic foolishness* of removing this Citizen arsenal involving 10s of thousands of semi automatic Rifes and their Ammunition.
The Deterrent value against foreign invasion and terror attacks of having large numbers of these guns in skilled private hands is reason enough to condemn outright the new Arms amendments.
Armed private citizens with ARs have taken out terrorists attacking churches, etc ending the murder… saving lives … well before any Police were on site… this truth is what the New Zealand government wants to hide.
Where was New Zealands First’s Great defender of Gun Rights… and Minister of Defense, Ron Mark when this shameful, Unjust, and borderline Treasonous legislation was being passed? Cowering in the corner behind his Autocratic Party Leader Winston Peters!
The New Zealand gun fraternity used to look up to Ron Mark… as he postured himself as being New Zealand’s most Pro-gun Member of Parliament, yet we have seen his true colours!
YELLOW! Too scared of his Shady Boss Winston Peters to really put New Zealand first defend our country from this wicked legislation.
We have herd Zilch from him during this time of crisis… his silence is *Deafening!*
This equates to a betrayal of the New Zealand gun community and the people of New Zealand as a whole… our Minister of Defense is surrendering our Nations citizen arsenal to the tyrants he serves.
New Zealand has been subject to a heavy Propaganda campaign designed to keep us in a state of panic, so as to justify the States ongoing extreme tactics by the police and maintain ‘political momentum’ / pressure with respect to the governments gun Confiscations and new Strong Arm that treats *everyone* as a potential terrorist or hate-monger.
The Police said that ANZAC day celebrations had to be cancelled, and that Ramadan religious gatherings also should be cancelled due to ‘ongoing security threats’… yet *nothing happened* in either case… nor did the Police release *any proof* that such threats were real… and despite the fact that Winston Peters flew all the way to Turkey to convince The madman Dictator Erogan that the attack was a one-off anomaly and that there exists no security threat to Muslims in New Zealand.
All this tells me New Zealand is being taken over by a Police State.
And Everyone must have noticed that after the Christchurch Terror attack that the Government stationed Armed Police with AR Rifles and high capacity Magazines?
Just about every article written about the New Zealand Police post Christchurch attack … whether about their disgusting Sunday morning Dawn raids, or about them guarding some Mosque or public event shows them en masse brandishing AR Rifles and high capacity magazines.
What this shows the thinking observer is obviously how highly regarded the AR is by the Police for the purpose of anti-terrorist defense (and for rounding up dissidents).
This being so it is clear that the new Gun Prohibitions against ARs is 100% opposed to *We the people* possessing these arms that are *the best defense* against being slaughtered en masse by terrorists who are guaranteed that should the wish to attack any public place… a church… or a mosque… they will meet zero self defense… ie New Zealanders are sitting ducks thanks to the tyrannic Anti gun… anti-self defense policies of our out of control Government and Police.
Not content with simply the demoralising effect of having theses guns on display during their recent harassment on the Gun community,*These Maniacs have been pointing their loaded Guns at Children!* That is such an outrage! to think the general public has been taught *NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING* never point a gun at anything you dont want to *Destroy*… yet these Mindless Minions think nothing of the Trauma they are inflicting upon the innocent… *This is what a Police state looks like*.
And when Ardern gives the Nod the armed Police standing guard around mosques will disappear.
In my submission opposing the New Gun prohibitions I said….
So I am saying that if New Zealand really wants to be safer… we should stop believing the empty promised of Jacinda Ardern… that her nanny state will keep us safe!
Instead we should instead be recognising New Zealanders rights to look to their own defense!
We should have more respect for the right to self defense… and more respect for Guns and the security they provide!
After what happened in Christchurch, if anyone is likely to be skeptical of Arderns bogus promises to keep them safe it will be immigrants and Muslims!
I would not blame NZ Muslims who witnessed what happened to instead desire the right to provide for their own defense!
The Government may be temporarily stationing Police outside mosques for the time being… until *they* assume the terrorist risk has diminished… and then the cops will pack up their guns and leave!
Yip… at some point the cops will leave mosques and churches absolutely defenseless again… just as they were before the attacks!
This bill does nothing to increase their security… it leaves them absolutely exposed to the next psychopath!
The solution is Obvious!
Everyone… Mosques, churches, everyone should be making provisions for their own security… which would include having armed guards… and better still concealed carry armed worshipers!
This is reality people!
The world is not a daycare center for children!
In this world dangerous. evil people exist, and the government cannot keep us safe.
And so when you do the math you find that the Governments rationale with regards to these new Gun Prohibitions does not hold water.
We see that the Police are absolutely out of control and are already confiscating Guns from Law abiding Citizens with absolute disregard for the September deadline or the fact that The Buyback scheme has not even been sorted out!
The Police are no longer acting in the interests of the People they are supposed to serve but are instead acting as a self-interested Power in cahoots with our Parliament that has thrown our rights and due process in the bin under the pretext of ‘a crisis’ and ‘Keeping us safe’.
The Ardern government thinks nothing of violating the Principle of the division of powers in allowing the police to write further Gun regulations and confiscations… as they so desire!
And we dont even hear a peep out of Nationals Simon Bridges on this issue *despite the fact that he is a high profile Lawyer!
This is because he’s not a man of Principle either.
And New Zealanders are such timid sheep as to let it all this happen without protest.
Of course all the reports of Armed raids with the Police terrorizing Families… some for simply exercising their rights to express their opposition to what the Government and Police are doing on social media is having a *suppressing effect* on open dialogue… some people comment on News articles about the Police raids warning people to take care what they say… lest they too get put on ‘the police list’.
Now this fear of speaking out… fear of protesting …effect works in the Jack boots favour as it renders the public incapable of rallying to their own defense… it makes it easier for the Police to continue picking off victims one by one, and so I say it is absolutely *essential* that in such times the people of New Zealand dig deep and find the courage to speak up… and rally together *in spite of the risks* that the Police may turn up at your door with Guns.
I am fully aware that by talking this way publicly, and by communicating with some of the people who have been raided that there is the highest probability that I am myself on the ‘watch list’, and that the Police would love to shut me down.
It is a terrible thing that I have had to explain this to my Wife and 8 year old child… Its traumatising.
You can understand how the actions of the Police are causing many people to shut their mouths and blend in with the herd.
*And this is what it was like in Nazi Germany, Stalin’s USSR, Kim Jung Un’s North Korea, China, etc etc!
People afraid to critisise their governments… and fearful of their politicized Police!
*Can you believe it that I am talking about this *vile evil* happening here in New Zealand????
just a few months ago it was inconceivable that we would be facing such an escalation of tyranny in such a short time… over a one off event.
The Resulting Tyranny is a far greater threat to our Nation than the horrific crime of Brenton Tarant… in fact I believe we are even more exposed to such events than ever before because of the Government has used this event to grab more power for itself, and not addressed the Peoples right to self defense at all!
My Blog Posts are notoriously too long… there is just so much going on that it is difficult to do justice to the Gravity of how bad things have become and I fear for our children future.
Orwell’s Distopia is fast upon us.
God Help us!
Its time to Rally people! Time to stand up and protest! Before its too late.
And The Time is right to abandon support for Both National and Labour, and NZ first, and the Greens!
They are all guilty of supporting what is happening.
Time to support Act!
David Seymour is almost the only MP whose integrity on these matters shines far above the rest of the shameful sell outs in parliament who have zero respect for the peoples rights or due process.
If Act is not your cup of Tea *Try the New Conservative party*. I have read many Good Policy press releases from them and they have been vocal in their condemnation of the new Gun Prohibitions and Police behavior post Christchurch.
And its time to abandon Facebook for their horrific Political bias and censorship of Voices of dissent.
Facebook may as well be on Ardern’s payroll.
Many freedom loving Conservatives and Libertarians are setting up shop on MeWe… I’m there… ready for when facebook pulls the plug on me for my activism…
Hopefully there will be large peaceful Public demonstrations against what is going on… I would be happy to speak.
We need individuals with a good public presence to organise such protests… as ‘small fish’ like myself has never been successful in rallying the Public… I dont have the ‘political capital’ to get the sheeple up off their couches.
None the less I do what is within my power, and I fulfill my civic duty as an individual to stand up and be counted… and I am ready to stand with likeminded citizens in protest against the Draconian Police state New Zealand has become.
Act Party Leader and MP for Epsom David Seymour.
If only New Zealanders (and esp gun owners) had listened to the warnings We Libertarians have been saying for the past 20 years… and voted for us… New Zealand would be taking a far different approach to things, and your rights would have been protected from such tyranny by a new constitution! Read this
The Libertarian solution is now more desperately needed than ever!
I salute the likes of Radio talk back host Sean Plunket for being vocal on these Issues and commend David Seymour also for not only being critical of Ardern’s contempt for democratic due process, but also giving notice to the New Zealand Police for their shocking behavior.
It is only via Free speech and Public outcry can we hope to put an end to this reign of terror that is upon us.