As a savage living way down in the underworld I have never focused any attention as to how the EU works.
Yet the Brexit mania has brought such issues to the surface, and I am Gobsmacked at how corrupt the system is!
I should not be…. Of Course *socialists* have set up something closer to the USSR rather than the USA!
Absolutely diabolical!
Only Socialists could take such a grand Idea and turn it into such a monstrosity!
Get the Popcorn out people… this Brexit stuff is getting very interesting!
With regards to his criticism of the politics of Green MP Golriz Ghahraman, Trevour Mallard has accused David Seymour of ‘bullying’ yet it is easy to see that it is Seymour who is being ganged up against for daring yet again to swim against the general current in parliament as he did recently with respect to the new arms confiscations.
David Seymour warns of the dangers to New Zealand should new hate speech laws be enacted, and is now experiencing the wrath of Feminist Mob bully tactics from a gang of Woman Mps, for daring to ‘express his sincerely held view’ that the Green MP is a “menace to freedom”.
Ghahraman has been actively promoting new hate speech legislation.
David received a letter demanding he apologise to Ghahraman…’signed by Labour MP Louisa Wall and National MP Jo Hayes – co-chairs of the Commonwealth Women Parliamentarians (CWP) New Zealand group…’
This group is a feminist Lobby, and its typical for Identity politics’ peddlers to view most things men say as being ‘Toxic’ and somehow Misogynistic and somehow ‘White supremacist’… and that he is ‘somehow’ responsible for on line threats she has received (that the Police have discovered) , when in reality what David Seymour was critical of was *her politics*, and her *Naivety* without reference to her gender , race, or creed.
In my view David Seymour’s evaluation of Golriz Ghahraman is 100% accurate… she is a menace to freedom in New Zealand … yet so are most of the Mps of both sexes in parliament today… including Jacinda Ardern and Judeth Collins.
“Further, we maintain that the best tool to defeat terrorist speech is productive speech, and thus we emphasise the importance of promoting credible, alternative narratives as the primary means by which we can defeat terrorist messaging.”
This was an absolutely farcical attempt to make out David Seymour was islamiphobic, and that he had no argument of substance to rebut Ghahraman, when in fact Seymour was right to list Free speech as the vanguard of a free society, and that it has been the first thing attacked by all the monstrous tyrannies of history… and that it was on this basis of her Push for Hate speech laws that will suppress free speech he labeled her as naive and dangerous.
he was being interviewed at the time about his views on Jacinda ardern’s ‘Christchurch Call’ to censor the internet
Miles saying Seymour comments were ‘Dehumanising’ is just socialist trite!
Its plain Free speech… and when Ghahraman joined parliament she should expect to have her policies scrutinized and to face hard criticism, esp from political opponents, and that she must respect free speech, yet this Gang of irate woman want to Bully Seymour into retracting a Statement of fact… that needs to kept a matter of Record…. and it is evident that these woman seek to equate his comments with ‘incitement to violence’… a most dangerous equivocation that Seymour rightly rejects. “When asked on Tuesday if he felt responsible for the increase in threats made against Ghahraman, Seymour said: “No, I’m not responsible.”
Which is absolutely correct.
That Miles has so construed what David said to be ‘Islamiphobia’, and labeled it ‘Dehumainsing’ demonstraights how ‘Critisism of socialist activities and politics will be twisted into ‘Hate speech’.
It proves the treatment he is experiencing is a vindication of his claim that *Freedom is under threat*, esp *Free speech* by Politicians like Ghahraman and Socialists who seek to write ‘hate speech laws’ that insert ‘Identity Politics’ into legislation to virtually outlaw criticism of Islam, of Transgenderism being socially engineered into schools, etc and we see this the way Leftists like Andrew Little have come up with a political ploy to claim ‘there are gaps in current legislation outlawing threats to ‘certain groups ‘ …. which any adult knows is an absolute falsehood… and that currently it is illegal to threaten violence to anyone… *The laws being *universally applicable* without having to enunciate all the various groups into which New Zealanders may be arbitrarily collectivised by those who pedal ‘Identity politics!
This is an example of how dishonest Lefty socialists are and how they conspire to get their oppressive Nanny state politics made law… at the expense of freedom.
It shows their utter contempt for the principle that the law… as Lady Justice is supposed to be *blindfolded*… ie not interested in *the sex* *the race* *The religion* *the wealth or social status* of those brought before her.
She carries *just scales*… that weighs the matters Objectively… impartially… without emotional bias… one law for all.
Yet Socialists want Lady Justice to remove her blindfold and see that Big Bad White He-Devil David Seymour is ‘Threatening the Feelings’ of wee oppressed little cute precious flower Golriz Gharaman … and to grant Ghahraman special protection… just for being a Girl and a migrant… and to pass a judgement on Seymour because he is a White man… irrespective of the objective facts that David was in no way threatening Ghahraman, or being sexist, or racist, but expressing a very important political observation that many New Zealanders like myself believe needs to be said.
Socialists want to shelter Ghahraman’s Politics from critisism under the guise of her ‘political identities’…. “You cant call a woman a menace to freedom”… “You cant call an Immigrant a menace to Freedom”…. ie You cant criticise *Left wing Socialist nanny state politics and agendas* … *This is where the lefts ‘hate speech’ laws and Identity politics is heading.
And they are doing it across the board with trying to make Vaccinations *compulsory*… trying to *Outlaw climate change denial*… trying to put the squeeze of Meat and dairy… trying to emasculate Men, etc etc.
My critisisms of Gharaman (like Seymour’s) are in no way *hateful* nor can they be in any just way be construed to be designed to incite violence against her… all such retorts do nothing to address the actual concerns David raises about her politics.
Nor does the fact that some whackos may have discussed violence against her mean we should not speak in harsh terms of her politics.
This does not provide her a shield from criticism.
Has the Police trawled through the internet to find all the threats made against all the MPs in parliament?
I would say… *No*, and i would say that *many Mps* will have had nasty threats made against them.
*I have had threats made against me* yet I have not received any special state protection!
In fact David and I are treating Ghahraman *as an equal*… which is what true ‘Female emancipation’ is all about… ie not pandering to so-called ‘Patriarchal culture’ that is supposed to treat woman as *lesser beings*.
Would the Police provide the *same level* of personal security boot as they are providing today … if she was a man?
I think not… i think the Police are pandering to the feminist agenda.
We would say the very same things if she was a man, yet it appears she, and her feminist mates are determined to insist she be treated like a hapless victim… * this is because in spite of all their ‘Woman are Equal to men in every way’ chanting when you look at how they function at the political level we actually see these Lefty’s and feminists are the ones who think of woman as lesser beings*… Maori as lesser beings… because that is their entire modus opperandi… and virtually all their policies are attempts to skew the playing field of life to provide crutches for their Pet groups of ‘perpetual victims’… who the left assume cant get through life on an equal footing… in freedom.
Feminists Roar how strong woman are yet all their politics are driven by the assumption that woman are weak.
Virtually All the politics on the left are a menace to Freedom… except some support cannabis law reform… the only pro-freedom policy I can think of from their quarter.
I hope New Zealanders are waking up to all this and shift their political Loyalties away from the two Mainstream parties that are both enacting these types of cancerous Nanny state politics, and abandon The Green Party, The Maori Party, and New Zealand First, and instead Reward David Seymour for his forthright courage and principle to call out Gharaman for what she stands for and how dangerous are the Ideas she represents for Freedom in New Zealand.
David was right when he said that
Vote for Act!
Check out some of the New Parties that have sprung up, like the New Conservatives… like the Kiwi Party.
Americans had a guts full of this Woke left anti-freedom Globalist agenda when they voted for Donald Trump.
The British had a guts full of the Globalist agenda when they voted for Brexit.
Austrailians have just told the lefties where to stick all their Globalist agenda and climate change Taxes, and tyranny.
Lets hope the just backlash against all the insane Woke leftism also happens here!
Ultimately the Left want to control the Internet for their own political advantage… to shut down dissenting veiws, to guarantee them victory at elections and to socially engineer Global opinion to embrace their agenda.
This is a Machiavellian tyrannical Conspiracy on a truly Cosmic Scale… All in the name of Peace and love….
Only Evil White Men and their enslaved wenches are opposed to this fabulous ‘New World’
Satan laughing spreads his wings.
Update: In the past few years I have had several conversations with Phil Arps via social media, and gave him opportunity to tell me his side of events. I spoke frankly with him about what I wrote below, and he responded cordially.
One of the most vile and Machiavellian ploys being used by the left today to discredit their political opponents and critics… esp those whose they cant defeat in open debate … those they seek to silence… those they seek to persecute and disparage the Public from paying them any heed, is to falsely label them ‘Alt Right’… White supremacists…. ‘extremists… etc.
The most common types to suffer this abuse are Conservatives and Libertarians.
This post is my attempt to expose this well known tactic, by presenting an *actual example* of a Real Alt Right Nationalist white supremacist … aka A Nazi… to serve as a template to show just how dishonest the left are when they label likes of Hobson’s Pledge *Don Brash* ‘Alt right’ etc.
That there does exist some genuine Alt Right Neo-Nazi Racists in New Zealand is not in dispute, yet they are *an infinitesimal minority*, yet again it is the desire of our devious agenda driven Left wing Government to greatly exaggerate the scale of this extremist group and the danger they pose to others so as to justify Heavy handed legislation against free speech, voluntary association, and extreme Jack booted behaviour by the Police.
Since the Christchurch Terror attack, all it takes to be raided by Armed Police now in New Zealand is for some radical left Social justice warrior to call a police hot line and finger anyone they disagree with … any critics of Arderns Government as being ‘Alt Right’.
The New Zealand Police have now become Politicized and are now acting as ‘Thought Police’ intimidating Critics of Ardern and themselves.
I want to discuss how and why the Police and government are demonstrating a very *left handed* bias when it comes racism and who they are choosing to focus their heavy handed attention upon , and talk a bit about the concepts of ‘Left, right, center, and Libertarianism yet let me first present to you a poster child exemplar for what a real New Zealand Alt Right Nationalist and White Supremacist looks, acts, and talks like.
Phil Arps.
Phil Arps (left) with Guns giving the ‘White Power’ Nazi Salute.
I think its important to insert a NewsHub link ‘Opinion:Why we ran the video of the white supremacist and the pig’s head’ here that exposes the sort of dangerous Racist and criminal Phil Arps is.
Without Doubt Phil Arps, who has just been convicted for sharing Brenton Tarant’s Prohibited Live footage of his Murderous Killing spree is a dangerous and Evil Alt Right Nationalist White supremacist… a Criminal who deserves to be behind bars.
Though I dont support the censorship of Tarrant’s manifesto… or the rationale that was given to justify it becoming a criminal offence to possess it or share it, nor do I agree with the extremely heavy penalties that apply to sharing the ‘prohibited’ video footage… and despite the fact that I believe the New zealand Police has been acting in a very Jack booted mannor themselves… post Christchurch… pointing guns in the faces of children, etc… still… despite all that… I congratulate the New Zealand Police for arresting Arps as he clearly represented a danger to Non-whites, Migrants, and Muslims.
I contend that even without the censorship of the Video, … or any New Hate speech legislation that New Zealand already has regulations against Threats of violence that Arps has violated many times, and justify him being Prosecuted and heavily punished.
Even if the Video was not outlawed, there still is probably a sufficient case to prosecute him for his intention to get the video doctored so that it had ‘Cross hairs’ going from victim to victim… so that he and his mates could use it to intimidate others, and watch it with Glee while drinking beer in Tarants honor, Eating Popcorn, and planning what crimes they might perpetrate against the focal point of their vile Racism and Bigotry… the Muslim community of Christchurch.
I believe that an argument may be made that his intent to doctor the video in such a way constitutes yet more threats and intimidation to commit violence against his local and peaceful Islamic community… the very community that lost 50 souls in Tarants cowardly and barbarous attack.
and as it turns out… even if such a case could not be made in that regard… the public has just found out that Arps has made explicit threats *Countless times* that he intends to commit murder against Muslims, and Jews.
All the censorship, and secrecy the Government and Police have shrouded around Tarrant and Arps (and another… including a youth who shared the banned manifesto *Before it was prohibited*)… has meant that the New Zealand public have been left in the dark about these very important cases… and I think this secrecy is outrageous as we the people have *the right* to know what the hell is going on and why… yet after News Hub ran their story ‘Opinion: Why we ran the video of the white supremacist and the pig’s head’ Many New Zealanders including myself got their first glimpse at what sort of person Phil Arps *Really is* and the Crimes that he has been committing against the Islamic community in Christchurch.
This is when We got to see *What a genuine Alt Right Nationalist White Supremacist looks like… how they behave… and how they think… driven by Evil… harboring malevolent intents against Non- whites, Migrants, etc… mimicking attitudes common in Nazi Germany in the 1920-40s.
So Phil Arps *is a genuine Alt right Nationalist White supremacist Hater*… a Loathsome racist… a danger to civil society that upholds Liberty and equality before the law for all.
Promoting Tolerance and peaceful coexistence.
The limits on free speech is not whether or not someone may be offended by what someone else has said, but whether or not incitement to or threats of violence have been made, thus Australian Rugby Legend Israel Folau was completely within his right to quote the bible that says sinners… including homosexuals… are in danger of Gods wrath.
This is nothing new to be said in western nations, nothing to loose your job over… until Left wing radicals who hate Christianity, have managed to totally dominate the political landscape and weaponise ‘Taking offence’ via the pseudo-moral construct of ‘Hate speech’… a construct that attempts to totally destroy the right to free speech in any nation that accepts its legitimacy.
What Ardern and the NZ Police need to remember is that a free and equal society *tolerates Free speech* and dissenting opinions, and the right to hold and expound religious opinions that may be critical of others…. *This is fundamental* to freedom and toleration…. *not a Police state that attempts to outlaw the people from expressing their religious views simply because another group dont like what they are hearing!
This Liberty is founded upon a body of enlightenment truths learned and fought for from centuries of struggle and is what has distinguished western Liberty from Tyranny of all sorts, from Fascim, from Communism, and from Islamic and even Christian forms of tyranny…. and why in most western nations Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists , and Hindus, have all been able to peacefully coexist… each group peacefully following their own consciences…under a social compact of equality before the law.
And all this was going just fine here until the foreign terrorist and psychopath Brenton Tarrant brought his murderous hatred to our shores!
yet instead of appreciating how good New Zealand really was in regard to these matters… the Ardern government took opportunity to destroy it all and impose tyrannical restrictions on guns and free speech!
They are manufacturing a crisis that never even existed here.
I’m Glad they have put Arps in jail. they should have done that a long time ago… they had enough laws in place to do so… yet now they are way out of hand and i hope the people of New Zealand put them back in their place!
Neither Arp or Tarrant are representative of any real crisis endemic in New Zealand!
There are Race relations problems here to be sure, yet they stream from a completely *different quarter*… and they too are the result of a politically manufactured crisis.
I want to talk about *Racist Doctrines that come from the far left* that likewise works to destroy yet another foundational principle of Western freedom… the principle of racial equality before the law.
Their divisive doctrines of ‘indigenous rights’… and ‘White privilege’ … ‘Treaty partnership’ etc etc have spawned deep racial divisions and a loathesome horde of racists of Colour… against Pakeha (New Zealanders of white European descent).
These left wing Racists far outnumber their Far right counterparts, and represent a far greater danger to New Zealand society than *real* white supremacists do.
But to talk about this blatant form of racism is to risk being labeled ‘A White Supremacist’.
Because of the failure of our Government to uphold the principle of Racial equality before the Law *Left wing Racist ideology has penetrated our government* and established an apartheid system complete with Race based Laws and institutions and created a two tier society based upon race.
Not only does this Officially endorsed form of Left wing racism now affect government policy, it also affects how they view critics of this institutionalized racism like Don Brash and his Anti-Treaty separatist lobby ‘Hobsons pledge’, and myself who has been a Libertarian activist calling for an end to Waitangi apartheid politics that has sprung up from Racist Radical separatist on the far left.
And yet neither *Don Brash, nor myself*… nor the hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders who have had a guts full of the institutionalized racism that has sprung up under the guise of ‘honoring the treaty’… are Alt right Nationalists/ white supremacists… yet it is all too easy for the left wing politicians like Andrew Little and Tariana Turia to label anyone who opposes their Racist politics as being ‘Far right’… and racist.
The truth is that Don Brash’s desire (and mine) to end Race based Laws in New Zealand is as antithetical to Alt Right racism as it is to Alt Left racism.
The Leftwing racist radicals of New Zealand are the Maori separatist movement… yet these radicals have managed to find support within the mainstream political parties mainly because they have taken control of the guaranteed Race based seats in our parliament, and the two big parties have fallen over themselves to bribe the radicals in these seats into coalition deals for the sake of control of the government and country.
Its a well known corruption of our democratic system now know as ‘Brown mail’.(a phrase coined by Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters)
And if we step back we see this same Machiavellian mechanism being used by left wing socialists right across democratic Western societies whereby any critics of Left wing policies that involve matters of Racial or cultural content… eg people who are not happy with the way immigration is being managed… these people are being labeled ‘Far right nationalists’.
An example of a Far left Racist Radical organisation in the US that pretends to be representing oppressed Blacks is *Black lives Matter*.
this organisation is very much like the Maori radical separatist movement in that they are infested with White-haters who advocate radical left wing ideology all the way up to establishing full blown Communism in the US and here in New Zealand.
Another Violent Radical left wing group that was founded in the US that is causing Riots and violence, and is spreading throughout western Democracies … yet is not meeting with Due Police restraint is ANTIFA… with their ‘Punch A Nazi’… most people getting punched are not like Phil Arps… are not supporters of Adolph Hitler… but are often little skinny White Teens wearing MAGA caps!
And by far and large these Violent left wing scum get away with it because the Police forces are soft on left wing violence and racism.
The Media across the Western world is now so infested with Woke left Wing social justice warriors that in both New Zealand and the US the Media routinely paint President Trump and his supporters as *Alt right nationalist racist white supremacists*… Fueling the mindless Zombies of Antifa into frenzied riots and acts of violence… as if a white kid wearing a MAGA hat *Really is a Nazi!*
The irony is it’s ANTIFA who are acting Like NAZIs … they are the Intolerant hateful Barbarians calling for virtually everything to be banned, and attacking anyone who holds a different opinion to their own!
This is a classic demonstration of the absolute ignorance of how the Left have no idea how similar The two extremes of the Left and right are.
The Radical Left-wing Maori Joe Trinder wants Don Brash shut down and ‘Punished’ because Don Brash wants Racial equality before the Law whereas Trinder seeks to maintain and expand Racial separatism of the Treaty industry because of the vast wealth and political advantages it affords to people like himself.
Many Caucasian Vocal Internet personalities who have supported President Trump and been critical of the Lefts mass immigration policies and how Liberal governments have failed to maintain law and order (esp in France) have been systematically labeled ‘Alt right’ and ghosted on the internet.
When ever the Left writes an opinion piece that links Radical Nazis like Phil Arps with moderate conservative ‘center right’ critics they are perpetrating Political Slander of the highest order
An example of this is here … where by the conservative center right Facebook administrator of ‘Right Minds NZ’ Dieuwe De Boer is listed as being a part of the ‘Organised Far Right in Aotearoa/NZ’
At least the author has the honesty to admit De Boer is *a conservative*… not Alt right… yet still it is outrageous to include him in an article labeled ‘An Introduction to the Organised Far Right in Aotearoa/NZ’.
This is how the left opperates.
And governments across Western Civilisation are now sending out the police to harass voices of dissent, treating them as ‘dangerous radicals’ ‘hatemongers’ etc when in reality by far the majority of them are not Radicals at all… but conservatives protesting the rapid growth of the Police state being driven by the Left.
New Zealanders are being intimidated by the police for expressing their political opinions on Social media… exercising their right to fee speech… no threats… no hate… just critisisms of what our government is doing.
This is how dangerous and hateful the left wing has become… and yet how blind to it all the Mainstream Media and mainstream parties have become…. and because of this failure on the part of the media and Mainstream political parties… those who have had a guts full of militant left wing Aggression are far more likely to gravitate to the far right, given they can find no reasonable and determined opposition in the main body of the Center right.
Thus we should not be surprised to see the rise of Far right Groups and parties… though here in New Zealand the numbers have been very low… yet because the heavily slopped activities of Arderns government and the police post Christchurch, and their attempts to suppress free speech… we can expect the numbers of the Alt Right here not to subside… but to grow… all because the likes of the National party are not acting as a Conservative opposition party against all this left wing radicalism.
The truly *conservative center right voice* is no longer the Nz National party that has fallen so far left as to be almost indistinguishable from Labour… the Conservative right are now Epsom Mp’s David Seymour’s Act Party, Hobsons Pledge, and Libertarians like myself who voice our opposition to left wing radicalism and racism, yet also express our opposition to Alt right radicalism and racism…. yet the great propaganda lie is that we are Alt right… that because we want to end racial privilege to Maori that we are therefore Racist white supremacists… etc etc… all absolutely despicable lies… and yet willfully lapped up by the media, and the Left.
This is such a massive subject that I will have to make a second post that goes into detail about the so-called ‘left/ Right’ political spectrum and how cumbersome it is and how it is an insufficient… way too simplistic tool to describe individuals and various party co-ordinates within the whole political paradigm.
I will simply finish here with a photo of my own result having completed a political quiz that shows political positions on a two dimensional graph rather than on the one dimensional linear straight line from left to right that is taught in Zombie school politics class or law.
This tool is called ‘the Political compass’.
There are many different versions of this quiz that have different questions, and get different results.
For people like myself I often dont like the way many of the questions are framed, nor the limited ‘answers’ available to pick from… (like most political polls)… and yet usually I end up just on the left side and in the middle of the Libertarian lower half of the compass… yet in the one I post below I ended up just to the right, and closer to the demarcation line between Libertarian and authoritarian (not happy about that!) … yet most importantly *still in the Libertarian sector of the compass* which is the *very opposite sector to Socialist authoritarianism of both the Left and right!
Liberarianism is one of the Hardest political ideologies to sell because on one hand when we critisise the left we get called fascists, and again when we critisisze the Right we get called communists! Both equally false… both equally despicable slanders
This is a result of me doing a political compass quiz.
I am the red dot on the lower quadrant… just right of center.
Where Phil Arps would register I have represented with the Swastika High up on the Authoritarian scale and to the hard right.
Jacinda Ardern would register near the top (but not at the top) and near the far left (but not at the far left extreme).
The most important thing though is not so much how far to the left or the right a person scores but more how high or low a persons views puts them into authoritarianism… and the use of political power,force, and coercion, as opposed to how Libertarian a person is… those who believe in personal liberty, self reliance, self responsibility,free speech, and volunaty community actions.
Do the political compass yourself here (see sidebar)
So despite everything the left tries to say and assume about my politics because I critisise them so much… I am not an Alt right wing Fascist whatsoever.
Libertarianism *is not Alt right* and such accusations by haters on the left are filthy and disgusting Lies of the highest order.
New Zealand is *not* a nation that treats everyone equally yet this dangerous systemic racism is not Alt Right… but Alt Left!
The toxic *socialist racist doctrine* of treaty separatism and indigenous rights… and Colonialist ‘white guilt’… has grown to such a degree that even the center-right parties now advocate for it.
The Alt Right in New Zealand remains a tiny minority and yet the Way or Prime minister Jacinda Ardern and the Police are behaving anyone would think New Zealand is crawling with Neo Nazis and that New Zealand facebook users are chanting ‘Seig Heil’… and threatening their Muslim neigbours!
This is total Bullshit!
This is a propaganda generated hysteria… for Machiavellian political ends,,, the subjugation of the New Zealand people…. a massive power grab!
And to state something that is almost a crime to mention… The Monster who committed the Atrocities in Christchurch that has been used by Ardern and the Police to trample underfoot the rights and liberties of New Zealanders wrote in his now Prohibited Manifesto ‘The Great replacement’ that it was his intention to accelerate the march towards Civil War between the left and right factions within Western societies…. and the actions of Ardern and the Police are doing precisely that!
Ardern and the Police are playing their part in Brenton Tarrants diabolical plan… and they are doing there best to shut down voices like my own who use free speech on the internet to warn the Public what is going on, and to call the people of New Zealand to rally and protest against this *Police state* that has been foisted upon us in a mere matter of months.
And its not just happening here… but elsewhere also… It started earlier in Australia… its happening in the US, Britain, France, Canada… wherever Woke left wing Governments are selling out their nations to Leviathan seated at the UN.
Update: 19-5-19
“OPINION: If you need evidence of why governments should not be trusted with regulating social media companies you only need to flick through the twenty four page advertorial masquerading as a report produced by the freshly minted Helen Clark Foundation last week.
It isn’t a long read, being mostly stock photos and images of Clark and Ardern, but its message is clear: new regulations are needed to prevent online hate speech in order to combat terrorism.
One Kiwifruit Orchardist drove all the way from Te Puke to Te Awamutu tonight so that he might stare National Party MPs Barbara Kuriger and Chris Bishop in the eye and tell them how the New Arms legislation they helped enact has not only turned him into a criminal, but also has grievously impacted on his business… affecting his ability to deal with vermin… rabbits,possums, goats, deer and many other unwanted pests that attack his crop and dig holes that endanger his workers in the field.
The National party plan to run a series of meetings around the country to discuss ongoing Gun legislation, this meeting was held at the Te Awamutu RSA, and was attended by a large mob of highly pissed off gun owners looking for blood!
I would estimate there was 300 people in attendance… filling the RSA main hall (The Mps admitted they were only expecting to use a much smaller space) and 90% of the people made it clear they felt utterly betrayed by the National party’s shameful collusion with the Labour Party coalition to rob them of their Gun rights.
From the very start many made it clear they were not interested in hearing weasel excuses, and demanded the two Mps *listen to the people*
More than one Farmer stood up and repeated they suffer same problems about pest control as the guy from Te Puke, and were outraged!
Adding the fact that not only was loosing their AR Semiautomatics a matter affecting the humane dispatching of Pests, but that it is expensive and impracticable to hire Pest control experts..who were also represented at the meeting and bitter that they too are also heavily affected by the legislation and in danger of being shut down unless by some miracle the Police find it in their hearts to grant them an exemption.
One Pest control businessman warns Banning AR semiautomatics will result in a massive increase in pest numbers.
There were Sports shooters and collectors who tore strips off these two National Party Representatives for basically destroying the things they are passionate about.
The people were not impressed with the weak excuses and outright dishonesty they received in response.
Both Kuriger and Bishop tried in vain to shift the blame onto Jacinda Ardern for how the rushed enactment of the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill was a farcical and contemptuous violation of Due Democratic process. They told lies that they had no way of either slowing down the Juggernaut, or any power to alter the scope of the Bill … All falsehoods… none of it believed by the people present.
The Crowd was seething about the disgusting Police raids that are afoot…. guns being pointed at children,etc and after many people had expressed how incensed about how their sports, hunting and businesses were directly impacted, Ex New Zealand First candidate for Northcote Kym Koloni tore strips off them saying “Nobody gives a shit what policies you are going to take into the next election, we care what you are going to do about this Right Now!”
“Grow some Balls!, and start acting like a real opposition party or you had better make sure your CV is up to date because you will soon be out of a Job!”
She finished off by calling NZ First Leader, current deputy Prime minister Winston Peters and his sidekick, and Minister of Defense Ron Mark Traitors.
The Public Grilling lasted for over two hours.
One person quoted Jacinda Ardern Pre- Christchurch Terror attack as having stated that “It would take a Port Arthur type event in New Zealand before heavier Gun restrictions could be passed”
So Australian Brenton Tarrant provided her with the perfect opportunity to strike at New Zealanders Gun rights.
Chris Bishop was on the Committee that was supposed to have read the 12000 written submissions and herd the mere 20 people who were allowed to deliver Oral submissions, and told the crowd that though he could not disclose the Committee conversations, he said that some of the National party committee members tried to get exemptions for sports shooters yet were ‘unable to sway Labours Minister of Police Stuart Nash.
Nobody present believed they tried very hard!
The two Mps tried to hide their personal complicity in voting for the bill by saying that as it was not a conscience vote…’They had little choice’ but to vote as a block for what their Party Caurcus deemed would be the party position on the bill… to which one of the people cried out that in doing so they betrayed their local constituencies who have voted for them to take care of their communities interest … not kowtowing to their own party interests!
Chris Bishop admitted the legislation has Flaws… yet National still decided to vote for it despite this fact…. The People called that a betrayal of their duty!
One guys stood up and said instead of Banning all these Guns and having to spend a billion dollars on the buy back scheme why didn’t parliament instead legislate to shift these guns into the ‘E’ category which entails higher security gun safes, and personal vetting? to which Chris Bishop admitted that was probably a much better approach… yet offered no reason why that obviously less severe… more fair option was not considered.
That is when I got the opportunity to stand up and explain the facts.
1. These two MPs are not telling the truth as they were party to the shameful episode in the house in which Trevour Mallard and Chris Hipkins deviously took advantage of David Seymours late arrival to agree to speeding up the enactment of this legislation… the whole national party had the opportunity to slow down this process by a simple ‘No’ vote to Hipkins petition to race this bill into Law.
2. I said the reason why the lesser path of moving these arms to E cat rather than the outright prohibition was never considered *was because this was never about taking a rational approach because the Police had wanted to get these guns outlawed for years… way before the Christchurch attack… *That was the point of this Bill as far as what the Police wanted*
And I reminded them that there was a Safeguard of democracy that was being violated by the Police writing the legislation they also enforce!
Ie The principle of the Separation of Powers!
That is why The farmers got no exemptions, why the Sports shooters got no Exemptions, and why the Collectors got no exemptions!
*The Police were only interested in getting what they wanted*… to hell with everyone elses rights!
It did not matter that the people who are loosing their guns have committed no crimes.
What mattered is that the Police got what they wanted, and Ardern got what she wanted.
And the National party were fully complicit in all of it!
To Chris Bishops credit he acknowledged what I said about excessive Police power and influence in the way the amendment was framed was true.
Chris and Barbara said they were taking all this criticism on board and would report back to their party the views and feelings expressed tonight and would do their best to try and get some easement… some exemptions for Sports people, Collectors, and for pest control when ‘Round two’ of Gun legislation begins shortly.
They also mentioned round two may involve the possibility of a Gun register, of a review of what defines ‘a fit and proper person’… which is a frightening possibility that New amendments and definitions may allow the Police the discretion to deny firearms licences to anyone who expresses opinions or criticisms that neither the Police of Government appreciate… under the pretext that contrary views entail evidence that a person is not fit.
We only need to contemplate the fact that during Kiwi gun blog’s Mike Loders oral submission opposing the new arms amendments, that Judith Colins questioned if he was a fit and proper person to hold a gun licence.
One Gun collector talked about the fact that she had bought her grandson an antique lever action rifle to celebrate him getting his gun license… but now with the new Arms act ammendments his Rife … a gift from his loving grandmother …has been rendered illegal because of its tube mag capacity!
*These are the sorts of Rights violations that have been perpetrated by Ardern, and Parliament against Law abiding New Zealanders!
Its corruption!
Its a Power Grab!
More was said on both sides yet what was clear to the people present was that National party had sold them out.
I think its easy to infer the event was a bust for the National Party, who were sent home with their tails between their legs.
They have been given notice of the depth of the Peoples contempt for what they have done.
One Name however shone like a spotlight throughout the evening… Acts David Seymour!
His name would have been spoken over a dozen times and how he carried himself with courage and principle …though out this anti-gun craze… while all the rest of Parliament *Laughed* in his face and showed utter disregard for sound principles of Law, and due process.
Howls of betrayal rang out at the mention of Winston Peters and Ron Mark.
Seymour was used as an exemplar … “Why did not you two do what David Seymour did????”
I think The Act Party are looking to get a serious boost of Support from the Gun owning community of New Zealand.
The National party may think twice about rolling out these meetings across the country now they have had a taste of the wrath of the people… who wont be fooled by lame excuses for their betrayal.
Another important thing this meeting taught me is that any well organised protest down at Wellington would be well attended.
The Gun community needs to rally!
Tim Wikiriwhi
Libertarian Independent.
For New Zealand Gun Community News and Discussion go to Kiwi gun blog on Facebook here or on MeWe here
Update 14-5-19
One thing that has occurred to me with regards to one of the Police wish list for the second round of gun regulations they are lobbying for ie: for a revision of what defines ‘a fit and proper person’ to hold a Gun licence, is not only that they will seek greater discretionary powers to refuse licences to individuals on the basis of lawful comments made on Social media that they dont like… maybe criticism of the Police… maybe critisism of Government policy that the Police like… but they are also Cunningly setting up a whole avenue of excuses to absolve themselves from culpability with respect to the up and coming inquiry they are facing with respect to why they gave Brenton Tarrant a gun licence.
You see if they posit the Idea that the current definition has significant failings… they will be able to argue that they fulfilled their obligations *as the definition now stands*… and that it is *insufficient concept* of who is ‘a fit and proper person’ that is to blame and proof that the government needs to ‘make it broader’ … ie give the Police more power and grounds to refuse licences on their own discretion and judgement.
Remember the Government and Police are only interested in this process being a one way road… in their favour… more power to them, less rights … and even less people allowed to hold *any* firearms.
Do not hold any delusions about this process being fair… or reasonable… or Prudent… or has any concern for the Rights and Liberties of Lawful gun owners.
A redefinition on who is deemed to be a fit and proper person to hold a fire arms licence will also trigger a whole new wave of Police raids Raids and confiscations…
New Zealand ‘Last’ MP Ron Mark, NZ Minister of Defense.
The New Gun Prohibition is a massive weakening of our Nations Defense capability.
You have to have rocks in your head if you believe New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern’s new Firearms prohibitions outlawing Citizens from owning Semiautomatic Rifles and high capacity magazines has made our Nation safer.
Removing these Rifles from Citizens will render our Nation far less capable of National defense, which given how weak New Zealand’s Defense forces are already, we need to have a large percentage of our population well armed and competent as auxiliaries to our meager Armed forces for National defense against invasion.
Ardern and in fact our entire parliament except Act’s David Seymour have shown total disregard for the obvious and monumental *strategic foolishness* of removing this Citizen arsenal involving 10s of thousands of semi automatic Rifes and their Ammunition.
The Deterrent value against foreign invasion and terror attacks of having large numbers of these guns in skilled private hands is reason enough to condemn outright the new Arms amendments.
Armed private citizens with ARs have taken out terrorists attacking churches, etc ending the murder… saving lives … well before any Police were on site… this truth is what the New Zealand government wants to hide.
Where was New Zealands First’s Great defender of Gun Rights… and Minister of Defense, Ron Mark when this shameful, Unjust, and borderline Treasonous legislation was being passed? Cowering in the corner behind his Autocratic Party Leader Winston Peters!
The New Zealand gun fraternity used to look up to Ron Mark… as he postured himself as being New Zealand’s most Pro-gun Member of Parliament, yet we have seen his true colours!
YELLOW! Too scared of his Shady Boss Winston Peters to really put New Zealand first defend our country from this wicked legislation.
We have herd Zilch from him during this time of crisis… his silence is *Deafening!*
This equates to a betrayal of the New Zealand gun community and the people of New Zealand as a whole… our Minister of Defense is surrendering our Nations citizen arsenal to the tyrants he serves.
New Zealand has been subject to a heavy Propaganda campaign designed to keep us in a state of panic, so as to justify the States ongoing extreme tactics by the police and maintain ‘political momentum’ / pressure with respect to the governments gun Confiscations and new Strong Arm that treats *everyone* as a potential terrorist or hate-monger.
The Police said that ANZAC day celebrations had to be cancelled, and that Ramadan religious gatherings also should be cancelled due to ‘ongoing security threats’… yet *nothing happened* in either case… nor did the Police release *any proof* that such threats were real… and despite the fact that Winston Peters flew all the way to Turkey to convince The madman Dictator Erogan that the attack was a one-off anomaly and that there exists no security threat to Muslims in New Zealand.
All this tells me New Zealand is being taken over by a Police State.
CHRISTCHURCH, NEW ZEALAND – MARCH 21: A police officer stands guard as relatives of victims of mosque attack arrive to attend the funeral of a victim who died at the mosque attack at Memorial Park Cemetery, in Christchurch, New Zealand on March 21, 2019. At least 50 people were reportedly killed in twin terror attacks targeting mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, an official said on Friday. Witnesses claim the Al Noor Mosque was targeted by armed assailants and there were up to 200 people inside for Friday Prayers. (Photo by Peter Adones/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images)
And Everyone must have noticed that after the Christchurch Terror attack that the Government stationed Armed Police with AR Rifles and high capacity Magazines?
Just about every article written about the New Zealand Police post Christchurch attack … whether about their disgusting Sunday morning Dawn raids, or about them guarding some Mosque or public event shows them en masse brandishing AR Rifles and high capacity magazines.
What this shows the thinking observer is obviously how highly regarded the AR is by the Police for the purpose of anti-terrorist defense (and for rounding up dissidents).
This being so it is clear that the new Gun Prohibitions against ARs is 100% opposed to *We the people* possessing these arms that are *the best defense* against being slaughtered en masse by terrorists who are guaranteed that should the wish to attack any public place… a church… or a mosque… they will meet zero self defense… ie New Zealanders are sitting ducks thanks to the tyrannic Anti gun… anti-self defense policies of our out of control Government and Police.
Not content with simply the demoralising effect of having theses guns on display during their recent harassment on the Gun community,*These Maniacs have been pointing their loaded Guns at Children!* That is such an outrage! to think the general public has been taught *NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING* never point a gun at anything you dont want to *Destroy*… yet these Mindless Minions think nothing of the Trauma they are inflicting upon the innocent… *This is what a Police state looks like*.
And when Ardern gives the Nod the armed Police standing guard around mosques will disappear.
In my submission opposing the New Gun prohibitions I said….
So I am saying that if New Zealand really wants to be safer… we should stop believing the empty promised of Jacinda Ardern… that her nanny state will keep us safe!
Instead we should instead be recognising New Zealanders rights to look to their own defense!
We should have more respect for the right to self defense… and more respect for Guns and the security they provide!
After what happened in Christchurch, if anyone is likely to be skeptical of Arderns bogus promises to keep them safe it will be immigrants and Muslims!
I would not blame NZ Muslims who witnessed what happened to instead desire the right to provide for their own defense!
The Government may be temporarily stationing Police outside mosques for the time being… until *they* assume the terrorist risk has diminished… and then the cops will pack up their guns and leave!
Yip… at some point the cops will leave mosques and churches absolutely defenseless again… just as they were before the attacks!
This bill does nothing to increase their security… it leaves them absolutely exposed to the next psychopath!
The solution is Obvious!
Everyone… Mosques, churches, everyone should be making provisions for their own security… which would include having armed guards… and better still concealed carry armed worshipers!
This is reality people!
The world is not a daycare center for children!
In this world dangerous. evil people exist, and the government cannot keep us safe.
And so when you do the math you find that the Governments rationale with regards to these new Gun Prohibitions does not hold water.
We see that the Police are absolutely out of control and are already confiscating Guns from Law abiding Citizens with absolute disregard for the September deadline or the fact that The Buyback scheme has not even been sorted out!
The Police are no longer acting in the interests of the People they are supposed to serve but are instead acting as a self-interested Power in cahoots with our Parliament that has thrown our rights and due process in the bin under the pretext of ‘a crisis’ and ‘Keeping us safe’.
The Ardern government thinks nothing of violating the Principle of the division of powers in allowing the police to write further Gun regulations and confiscations… as they so desire!
And we dont even hear a peep out of Nationals Simon Bridges on this issue *despite the fact that he is a high profile Lawyer!
This is because he’s not a man of Principle either.
And New Zealanders are such timid sheep as to let it all this happen without protest.
Of course all the reports of Armed raids with the Police terrorizing Families… some for simply exercising their rights to express their opposition to what the Government and Police are doing on social media is having a *suppressing effect* on open dialogue… some people comment on News articles about the Police raids warning people to take care what they say… lest they too get put on ‘the police list’.
Now this fear of speaking out… fear of protesting …effect works in the Jack boots favour as it renders the public incapable of rallying to their own defense… it makes it easier for the Police to continue picking off victims one by one, and so I say it is absolutely *essential* that in such times the people of New Zealand dig deep and find the courage to speak up… and rally together *in spite of the risks* that the Police may turn up at your door with Guns.
I am fully aware that by talking this way publicly, and by communicating with some of the people who have been raided that there is the highest probability that I am myself on the ‘watch list’, and that the Police would love to shut me down.
It is a terrible thing that I have had to explain this to my Wife and 8 year old child… Its traumatising.
You can understand how the actions of the Police are causing many people to shut their mouths and blend in with the herd.
*And this is what it was like in Nazi Germany, Stalin’s USSR, Kim Jung Un’s North Korea, China, etc etc!
People afraid to critisise their governments… and fearful of their politicized Police!
*Can you believe it that I am talking about this *vile evil* happening here in New Zealand????
just a few months ago it was inconceivable that we would be facing such an escalation of tyranny in such a short time… over a one off event.
The Resulting Tyranny is a far greater threat to our Nation than the horrific crime of Brenton Tarant… in fact I believe we are even more exposed to such events than ever before because of the Government has used this event to grab more power for itself, and not addressed the Peoples right to self defense at all!
My Blog Posts are notoriously too long… there is just so much going on that it is difficult to do justice to the Gravity of how bad things have become and I fear for our children future.
Orwell’s Distopia is fast upon us.
God Help us!
Its time to Rally people! Time to stand up and protest! Before its too late.
And The Time is right to abandon support for Both National and Labour, and NZ first, and the Greens!
They are all guilty of supporting what is happening.
Time to support Act!
David Seymour is almost the only MP whose integrity on these matters shines far above the rest of the shameful sell outs in parliament who have zero respect for the peoples rights or due process.
If Act is not your cup of Tea *Try the New Conservative party*. I have read many Good Policy press releases from them and they have been vocal in their condemnation of the new Gun Prohibitions and Police behavior post Christchurch.
And its time to abandon Facebook for their horrific Political bias and censorship of Voices of dissent.
Facebook may as well be on Ardern’s payroll.
Many freedom loving Conservatives and Libertarians are setting up shop on MeWe… I’m there… ready for when facebook pulls the plug on me for my activism…
Hopefully there will be large peaceful Public demonstrations against what is going on… I would be happy to speak.
We need individuals with a good public presence to organise such protests… as ‘small fish’ like myself has never been successful in rallying the Public… I dont have the ‘political capital’ to get the sheeple up off their couches.
None the less I do what is within my power, and I fulfill my civic duty as an individual to stand up and be counted… and I am ready to stand with likeminded citizens in protest against the Draconian Police state New Zealand has become.
Act Party Leader and MP for Epsom David Seymour.
If only New Zealanders (and esp gun owners) had listened to the warnings We Libertarians have been saying for the past 20 years… and voted for us… New Zealand would be taking a far different approach to things, and your rights would have been protected from such tyranny by a new constitution! Read this
The Libertarian solution is now more desperately needed than ever!
I salute the likes of Radio talk back host Sean Plunket for being vocal on these Issues and commend David Seymour also for not only being critical of Ardern’s contempt for democratic due process, but also giving notice to the New Zealand Police for their shocking behavior.
It is only via Free speech and Public outcry can we hope to put an end to this reign of terror that is upon us.
Facebook is engaged in a War on Information… an Info war…. and your timid silence is complicity.
Speak up People!
Do you realise what is at stake?
Get used to having a Barcode stamped on your Foreheads Slaves! These Corporations are intent on controlling the Democratic process and Elections across Western civilisation.
To get their Tyrants into power so they can enslave you and your children.
That this business is very very dangerous for Western democracy has been noticed by Arch Villain of SJW Woke Liberalism the American President Donald Trump, who has spoken out about the banning of Conservative voices by facebook and Instagram via Twitter, threatening ‘Regulation’ to protect against Discrimination (a thorny issue) yet when you do a google search on Trumps comments You get a raft of articles like ‘Trump helps Bigots go viral’…. ‘Trump Spent his morning Retweeting Alt right Extremists and Shared a Video from InfoWars’
Here is a Quote from New Zealand ‘Newhub’…
“In an apparent response to Facebook’s banning of far-right agitators, US President Donald Trump has vowed online to closely monitor the situation and labelled it a form of censorship.
Trump’s tweets on the subject came a day after Facebook permanently banned Infowars and its founder Alex Jones, Infowars editor Paul Joseph Watson, white nationalist Paul Nehlen and far-right provocateurs Milo Yiannopoulos and Laura Loomer, as well as Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.”
None of these people are Alt right!
Even if you disagree with what they say, these people all spoke freely, and most of them were against this PC Liberal Tyranny… yet now they have been silenced.
More and more are getting picked off every day… and soon there will be no more dissenting voices left here.
You will no longer receive updates telling you about the Police ‘Visits’ going on to New Zealanders who have done nothing more than express their own personal opinions on their own social media pages.
Sportspeople will no longer openly ‘Praise Jesus’… The Children will grow up in a world similar to North Korea… and become Fodder for the Beast.
‘Businessman pleads guilty to distributing objectionable material after sharing Christchurch attack videos’
“Christchurch businessman Philip Arps pleaded guilty to two charges of distributing objectionable material following the Christchurch Mosque attacks on March 15th.
The charges have been laid under the Films, Videos and Publications Classifications Act.
One charge was for sharing the gunman’s live stream with up to 30 people. The other was for Arps requesting the material to be modified. This included adding cross hairs and a kill count to then be made into a “meme” for widespread publication…”
IMO a super-crappy and devious aspect of this case is that by holding this guy so long in jail before being able to make a plea the State has been able to pressure him into making *a guilty plea*… whose Agents via a series of ‘little talks’ about how much trouble he is in and how long a sentence he risks by going to trial with an ‘unrepentant’ attitude.
‘Better to plead guilty’ and ask for mercy….
And so he has effectively *prosecuted and convicted himself*!!!
The Police and State *Love guilty Pleas* for Political crimes! (Lets watch and see what happens with Benton Tarant… the State certainly does not want an open trial for him!)
Such a Guilty Plea not only means that the Crown has been saved from actually *having to present a solid case* but also our whole country has been robbed of the opportunity to see all the facts and details of how the police conducted themselves… etc… and to see *what real evidence* they had… and if these charges can be successfully lawfully defeated.
Tyranny 1… the people 0.
The following is a Quote From a facebook comment thread…
“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending utter cockwombles. For it is against utter cockwombles that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.” ~ H. L. Mencken
That quote stresses the plight of the principled activist in defense of Liberty and Individual rights.
It is difficult to find many New Zealanders who have any sympathy for Arps… not only because most people find his behavioral and personal political opinions repugnant but also out of fear that if you dare to say anything negative about what the Government and Police are doing to him… you will be labeled a ‘White Nationalist/ Supremacist sympathiser’.
However I belong to several Political forums that have discussed this case and some people have shown the strength of character and wisdom to understand the dire implications of what has been done to this guy… and how extreme is the punishment they are threatening him… and all New Zealanders with should they dare to defy Censorship Laws and express views that the Government seeks to suppress.
And these Brave souls have spoken out against what is happening with this case, yet they are met with very sheepish responses that parrot the *official line* as to why Life feeds need to be ‘Filtered’ and censored… and these sheeple inevitably suggest that it is ‘indecent’ and risks ‘copy cat’ crimes to allow guys like Arps to go unpunished.
I have a few points I want to say to people who support what the government is doing… and plans to do with greater ‘Hate speech’ legislation and heavy handed curbs on live feeds to social media…who watched the video before it was taken down and outlawed will have enjoyed it, or would complain that after several days and sober reflection that facebook and other media *Voluntarily* removed it, yet I want to suggest to you that the fugitive aspects of allowing *the government* to force Social media not merely to Ban it *after some sort of due process* but to apply heavily controls on live streaming to the net as they are doing now… one of the ‘controls’ being delays on streaming for people with less than 100 followers… effectively halting live streaming for the bulk of *private citizens* while leaving a monopoly for mainstream media, etc… and this is *all about controlling the narrative* that the Government will allow the public to see….
Understand that *it is the Government* who hates the freedom and the power the internet provides the people.
For Example… Who has been embarrassed the most by the advent of the Cell phone camera?
The Police!
Live streaming Police corruption and injustice has been a Great eye opener to the general public… and a curse to the Government, and they have been trying to ‘Ban’ people from sharing this stuff on line…. and so while they have given you a list of lame excuses to believe why controlling the net is ‘for your own precious good’… in reality there are a thousand far more important reasons they dont want you to think about as to why the government is *not acting* in the best interest of the people, but out of their same old motive for Power and control.
The very same thing is easily provable with respect to the New Firearms prohibitions… the government controlling the narrative have all the sheeple thinking their new laws are wonderfully progressive despite the fact that they have punished thousands of innocent people, and taken away their rights, and made our whole nation more defenseless… the only people who really gained are the government… and their ability to keep the disarmed population under their yoke… their ability to throw them in jail with less resistance… etc.
And of course the Party state wants to control the narrative on all current affairs and what information reaches the voting population.
The Governments of the world have also pulled a massive moral swifty on all this as if Facebook as a service provider is responsible for what private citizens post.
they are no more responsible than Bill gates is for his Computers being used for Child pornography, or Smith and Wesson are for their guns being used in bank robberies.
So by threatening to hold Facebook liable for things like Brenton Tarrants video is outrageous.
Likewise with the foolish idea that it is the Governments job to keep us ‘safe’.
Ie How the hell can anyone think that the Police can be in all places at all times?
And would not that idea be itself an abomination to personal privacy and Liberty?
The truth is we must be allowed to take care of *Our own safety*! that is a fundamental right!
Its scary how much blind trust the average Sheeple places in Nanny State!
It is scary how little questioning and critical thinking is applied when the government acts with such a heavy hand!
It is sad how the general population Mocks those of us who dare to articulate our concerns and treats us like weirdos.
Tyranny 2. Freedom 0.
Tim Wikiriwhi
Libertarian Independent.
P.S… I am probably now on the Police ‘Watch list’ because I express what they deem to be ‘Radical views’ with respect to all that has happened with respect to the Christchurch terror attack.
“More than 100 people – including white supremacists, Muslim converts and people left disgruntled by the Christchurch terror attack – are being actively monitored by police.
Stuff has obtained part of a top secret list that names those who are of concern to police following the March 15 terror attack. Stuff has chosen not to name anyone on the list or contact them for security reasons.
The list, which is understood to have included more than 100 people, includes “disaffected” people with firearm licences, and others with racist and radical views. Police appear to be placing a large focus on social media” ….
Now I question what constitutes ‘a radical view’?
I would say they would deem anyone who disagrees with what the Police and Government are doing… anyone who thinks their agenda is evil… anyone who believes their own rights are not dependent upon Government sanction.
And I would also suggest *special attention* will be made on those of us who have made public statements, Blogs, etc that protest all these heavy handed government actions and policies.
I will therefore assume because my Activism has been directly engaging the Government via submissions to the new firearms amendments, and because of my commitment to ending the entrenched racism of Treaty separatism… political views that have been deemed to be ‘Racist’ by The Minister of Justice Andrew Little… the guy who signs off on granting the Police and security services authority to spy on New Zealand citizens… that there is a greater than 50% probability that My name is on that list.
This is what the Nazis did…. The *Real Nazis* are doing the watching rather than the people being watched, yet the way the Spin doctors present the narrative its people like me who want Freedom and equality before the law who is to be deemed to be ‘A radical’…
This very point was raised by Chairman of the New Zealand Council for Civil Liberties Thomas Beagle… ” said he had “strong concerns” about government surveillance of people.
“What we would expect is that if police were [monitoring] people that they actually proved the reason they need to do it to the appropriate authorities and got the appropriate warrants,” he said.
“Our main criteria is that we expect there to be the appropriate checks and balances and that there’s got to be more than just a political view for there to be any form of government surveillance.”
Police declined to say how many warrants had been issued to monitor people since March 15.”
Update: 18-5-19 More information has come to light about Phil Arps since I wrote this opinion piece, that has baring on his guilty pea… yet still what I say in this Blog- post is still relevant…..
Also read this.
“Hate Speech Laws and Blasphemous Libel: A Tale of Hypocrisy.
A few months ago, the Honourable Andrew Little quite rightly proposed a bill that eventually removed the last blasphemy law (s 123 of the Crimes Act 1961) from our statute books.
Before its removal, the effect of s 123 was to make it an offence to vilify or degrade Christianity with an intent to cause serious offence or by abusing sacred objects or beliefs (Bowman v Secular Society Ltd).
Section 123(3) went on to specify: “It is not an offence against this section to express in good faith and in decent language, or to attempt to establish by arguments used in good faith and conveyed in decent language, any opinion whatever on any religious subject”.
Thus the cumulative effect of s 123 was to make it an offence to vilify or degrade Christianity either in bad faith, or using indecent language.
At any rate, the repeal of s 123 was premised on concerns about the right to free expression. The necessary implication being that speech is *protected* notwithstanding that it is expressed in bad faith or indecent language, and vilifies Christianity.
If free speech grounds a right to vilify Christianity in bad faith or using indecent language, there is similarly a right to vilify any other religion in bad faith or using indecent language.
And yet I’m told that the latter would be legally actionable hate speech…”
The pace with which the current Ardern government is moving towards a police state, and the destruction of freedom is truly frightening!
And there seems to be nobody in parliament standing up in opposition to any of it!
The National Party have been hypnotized by the Ardern Cult of Personality… they pander to her every whim!
How the hell they ever expect this sort of Kowtowing to the Liberal agenda will help them get elected into power again is a mystery.
The Lefty infested New Zealand Press are hard at work lobbying for New Hate speech legislation and has acted like a Lynch mob towards Austrailian sports star Israel Folou quoting the Bible on his own social media page. and the condemnation he has received from our New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern herself, with the press goading her… begging her … to label what he said hate speech…here ‘Jacinda Ardern fires back at Israel Folau and social media comments’… while she was restrained by current legal definitions to label what he said as being a crime, she said she called it ‘Damaging’, yet we also know that her government is determined to push through New ‘hate speech’ legislation… with the same callous disregard for the rights of New Zealanders and due process they displayed with the latest Firearms prohibitions, and when you see what her minion Andrew Little thinks constitutes ‘hate speech’ if New Zealanders are not alarmed, and rise up against this abuse of power they truly deserve the expression of being a bunch of Sheep!
Unless new Zealanders wake up and stand against this sort of agenda driven anti-religious liberty… anti Free speech propaganda… Our country is doomed, and our children will not be taught anything other than what the government wants them to learn… and what they are allowed to believe… and think.
What has been circulated in the NZ media about Folou’s ‘Homophobia’ has been absolutely dishonest!
For the record… I’m too a Christian, I do not hate homosexuals, yet I reserve the right to peacefully and freely preach about my Religion and quote the Bible… precisely as I have done for the last 34 years, and no Law from Parliament will stop me from doing this… They will have to arrest me to stop me!
This is precisely what the Right to free speech entails!
Go study the history of religious oppression and the birth of religious liberty in western civilisation… This is where the right to free speech was born!
Look at What Arderns’ Minion Andrew Little has to say about a political pamphlet that was circulated in Point Chev… this is her main man responsible for framing new Hates speech laws!
The Pamphlet called for ‘One law for all’… thats an *inclusive* Ideal in which all peoples of New Zealand are subject to the same laws… no favoritism… no discrimination… and yet he has called this *Racism*!
Quote: “The pamphlet titled One Treaty One Nation, calls for an end to state partnership with Māori, scrapping the Waitangi Tribunal, Māori electorates and wards and says Māori have benefited from colonisation lifting them out of “a violent stone age existence”.
Andrew Little who is overseeing a review of hate speech in the wake of the terrorist attacks told the Herald his view was the pamphlet is racist.
“It peddles myths about pre-European Maori society that historical scholarship does not bear out. If it demonstrates anything, it is that the author of it is an ignorant fool.”
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How Arse-backwards and hypocritical could anyone possibly be???
The Man is worse than an imbecile!
Hes a Dangerous Political snake… and if he thinks by writing legislation that outlaws political opinions that disagree with his own patently wrapped Ideas he has another thing coming!
Little is suggesting this pamphlet calling for one law for all is written by some nutcase when in reality it is expressing a view that is held by a great portion of New Zealanders including many respected politicians more than his equal and many other prominent and intelligent New Zealanders.
The Principle of Racial equality is neither ‘Anti-Maori’ nor Fringe!
It is a legitimate Political position held by thousands of New Zealanders, well reasoned, and has been a foremost topic of elections for the past 50 years!
Does Andrew Little think he can impose his own liberal apartheid views by labeling opposition as hate speech?
As a Libertarian… I reserve my right to propagate the Idea of *One law for all New Zealanders* and to fight for the Principle of Justice… *Racial equality before the law*… just as I have done for the past two decades, and no new ‘hate speech laws’ written under the excuse of the Christchurch atrocity
will silence me from condemning the apartheid state that Ardern and Little are now at the helm!
I dont care if Andrew Little believes that Fighting for Racial equality is somehow ‘Anti-Maori’ and Hate speech!
It is not hate speech! I do not Hate Maori… I am a Maori myself!
I want what is best for them and all the people of New Zealand, and I condemn as unjust and an absolute failure the current Apartheid syatem that has not lifted Maori out of the gutter of our Social statistics, but has been a gigantic extortion racket!
I will not stop… I will never cease from seeking to expose the dishonesty of the Governments False revisionist history that seeks to deceive New Zealanders into accepting the lie that the Treaty of Waitangi created a two tier Racial system rather than uniting *all the peoples of New Zealand as one people under one law and one sovereign with equal rights* The Government will have to arrest me and throw me in jail because I will never stop using my natural right to freely speak the truth!
I declare that the current policies of Waitangi separatism are Evil!
So New Zealanders… will you surrender our country to such evil and tyrannical powers as have manifested themselves under Jacinda Arderns Psychotic Government????
I wont!
I have Children and Grand children who I want to live free and know the truth!
Id rather die in jail that surrender Political Freedom and My faith to the evil powers that threaten these most precious of values!
Will I have to rot in a dungeon as a political prisoner for New Zealanders rights to free speech and the principle of racial equality before the Law???
That this is even a possibility shows how dangerous to rights and freedom this new proposal for hate speech legislation is!
We can be sure that Little’s new Hate speech laws will result in a wave of censorship and Punishment for Thought Crimes… maybe the will force some of us to drink Hemlock for not worshiping the State Gods and Corrupting the Youth!
Political writer Dr Muriel Newman has written about these things in an article named ‘A totalitarian state’ and I quote…
“Calls for restrictions on free speech by radical Government MPs should raise the alarm about our future. While the Bill of Rights protects our freedom of thought, expression, and association, as we have already seen through the Censor’s bans, these rights are fragile and can easily be taken away.
Laws to protect New Zealanders from ‘hate’ can already be found in the Crimes Act, Harmful Digital Communications Act, Human Rights Act, and the Sentencing Act. If the Government is committed to stronger deterrents, they simply need to enforce the existing laws.
Already the call for action against ‘hate’ since the Christchurch attack has resulted in people losing their jobs for making thoughtless remarks, websites being blocked, and a social media crackdown being implemented. It may also have been responsible for a man losing his life.
New Zealanders who value the freedom and liberty that underpins our society should strongly oppose new laws to ban ‘hate’. Such laws, that would enable the Police to act against anyone expressing ideas contrary to those deemed acceptable by the Government, have proven to be a disaster in countries where they have been introduced, over-criminalising the population and allowing vexatious complainants to destroy lives. “…
I concur with Muriel, and implore the People of New Zealand to rally and protest against this Hitlarian Drive against Freedom in our country!
Do you want your children to grow up free?
Do you reserve the right to teach them your own Values and beliefs?
Or do you surrender these priceless things .. and give your children’s minds to the State to brainwash them with the beliefs and ideals these Political psychopaths running the machine?
Satan laughing spreads his wings.
I have a whole other story to tell the people of New Zealand about how it was that I came to write the following submission that would never be delivered… That will have to wait for following days, yet I must state that had I been given the opportunity to give an oral submission, I would have had to shorten what follows below considerably and make some of the supporting evidence for my claims as footnotes… discussion points for question time, etc
so what follows is about 10% of 1% of what I think about this foolishness and travesty of justice that is about to become law…
I dedicated my Written submission to the memory of the Victims of The Christchurch Terrorist attack.
I dedicate My Undelivered oral submission on this Bill to the memory of The late Hero Venezuelan Cop Oscar Perez… who Forsook working for the corrupt Government of Tyrant Nicolas Maduro and instead Died In armed revolution for the sake of the starving and oppressed people of Venezuela… fully lawful in his actions according to the Constitution of Venezuela Article 350.
Do not be deceived into thinking anyone who expounds these Ideas I share with you is Crazy… or Dangerous… that is what your slave masters want you to think!
Some of the greatest, and most moral human beings ever to walk this Earth have been enemies of the tyrannical Governments under which they had the misfortune to live… and they had the courage to stand against Evil powers in high places.
I am a Man of Peaceful Resistance… I fire words… at tyrants,
If I had stood before the committee and actually delivered the following submission I would have told them that the Right to Free speech is a defining characteristic of any free Nation nation… as it is designed to protect outspoken critics of Bad law … like me… from Politicians who write bad laws… like you!
Tim Wikiriwhi
Libertarian.
Please read on!!
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My concerns about this Bill are centered upon how it is part of a general and insidious erosion of Our Liberty and Rights that has been accelerated by the Governments response to the Christchurch terrorist mass murders. A response that was anticipated by the Terrorist himself in his manifesto.
Because of lack of time to fully expound my views on these matters There is much I have to leave unsaid and I will only be able to focus on but a single aspect of why I oppose this Bill.
I have spoken briefly on far more aspects regarding this bill in my written submission.
Today I want to focus on the right to self defense.
Because I am not a gun owner, this puts me in a stronger position than the Kiwi gun owning community to speak about self defense.
Its an extremely relevant issue with respect to what happened in Christchurch, and is in fact the key to a completely different response and strategy to what happened… one that instead of taking away rights as the proposed Bill does, this self defense strategy instead places more power back in the hands of the people where it rightfully belongs!
Yet this far more credible and moral alternative has been completely ignored by the government, and even the Gun owning community has shyed away from talking about it because not only do they know how antagonistic towards self defense the government is… the way the law now functions Gun owners are forbidden by the government and Police to claim Self defense as a valid reason why these firearms should not be prohibited!
And this is a primary reason I can confidently assume few submissions opposing this bill will have mentioned Self defense.. because for gun owners to do so is to run the risk of a Police raid and the confiscation of their property!
There exists a general dysfunctional culture of abuse, arrogance, narrow mindedness and antagonism by parliament and the police towards the citizens of New Zealand that is manifested by this bill and the other Draconian activities these powers have been engaged in since last month… all part of an agenda that is at variance with the Rightful duties of government and its proper relationship to the people.
A hell of a lot of political mis-direction and opportunism is taking place in the wake of the Christchurch Terror attack.
Immediately… and without any time to seriously investigate the circumstances of this atrocity… virtually while the Bodies of the victims were still lying where they fell Our Prime minister was already in full stride swearing that Gun Restrictions would be enacted immediately… which is of course political opportunism of the highest order… to ram home an agenda she had already subscribed to, one that would catapult her own fame among the Global liberal anti gun movement, ideology and agenda we see active all over the globe,
When you investigate this aganda… this desire … this policy to Ban semi automatic firearms we find it is not something that Ardern has arrived at in sober response to the Terror attack but is in fact a policy that has been the subject of constant pressure and lobbying from the New Zealand Police Association for a very long time.
Christchurch has merely provided them with the perfect opportunity to impose their desires without bothering with the normal processes… and safeguards for making laws.
What are the motives for this Rush to prohibit so many types of firearms?
a. I would never deny that obviously a primary motive would be one of Public safety… to try and minimize the the possibility of these guns being used in crimes against the public… very simplistic… yet appears noble.
This is the angle they have used to ‘sell’ their actions to the public, and to which the media have vigorously propagated as well.
b. Yet Let me present to you another motive… the obvious fact that the police are lobbying for this Bill from their own interests… a desire to mitigate the possibility that they themselves may have to contend with angry citizens when executing searches and seizures, or violent criminals who may have legal access to such firearms… resisting arrest, etc … which is understandable.
Yet there are many hazards in this type of activity when the Police consider it normal to try to sway the direction of the legislature… hazards that prove why the maintenance of the principle of the separation of powers is an important safeguard for just legislation and the safety of the rights and liberties of the citizens of the country, whom are the employers of the government and Police, and who these agencies are supposed to serve.
On the first count however we see a serious flaw in their logic with regards to a Ban on semi automatics to the general population for the sake of a handful of madmen, a massive gap that they do not consider… in that such a prohibition also renders the entire population less able to defend themselves should a madman or Group of Killers be on the loose.
Failure to weigh this greater consideration demonstrates the arrogance of the Police association, and their contempt for the right of citizens to act in their own defense.
The Math favors the rationale that the more of these guns are in the hands of Good law abiding citizens that the less likely Madmen will be able to carry out mass shootings of the magnitude we saw in Christchurch, and there are plenty of studies that validate the fact that more guns results in less crime, and also that New Gun restrictions do not result in less murder.
There have been plenty of examples in which armed citizens with Ar 15s have put an end to rampaging Killers.
On the second count which is the assertion that the police pushing the prohibition of semiautomatics and pump action shotguns are acting out of their own self interest I believe this is in fact their primary motive to why The Police have lobbied Government to ban semi automatics, and this too displays the contempt the Police have for the peoples right to bear quality arms in their own defense.
What I find is most disturbing about this motive is the Police are displaying all the characteristics of a self interested monopoly Lobby group that seeks to pervert the law, for their own benefit, at the expense of the community which they are supposed to serve… The Prohibitions they desire are antagonistic to the rights and liberties of the people… so by this means they are crossing the line between executive and legislative branches for the sake of their own power and have turned the situation into an ‘Us against them’ scenario
Do not think for a moment that I have no care or concern for the welfare of the brave men and woman in our Police force… let me clearly sate for the record that a very close member of my own family is a front line police officer, and so I do have skin in the game… yet I hope that I am making the point that it is the duty of the Police to serve, and to uphold the rights and liberties of the people, not to lobby and work to greater empower themselves and take away our rights and liberties.
It is only The Rights and Liberties of a Nation that makes it great, and keeps its people free, and distinguishes Free people from those who live under Political subjugation.
To be a Good policeman firstly requires a love and respect for Freedom and justice… a desire for our country to be Free, and for our people to enjoy their rights and liberties… and to display boldness in doing this difficult task without becoming antagonistic towards the rights and liberties of the people they serve.
Now I am not a fan of the UN, yet even their own documents on Human rights standards and Practice for the Police dated 2004 under the heading ‘Policing in democracies’ clearly states
1. The Police shall provide for the protection of public safety *and the rights* of all persons
2. The Police shall be an independent organ of the executive…
3. Every Law enforcement agency shall be representative of and responsive and accountable to the community as a whole
4 All police officials are part of and have a duty to serve. the community
5. and No member of the Police may participate directly in political activities.
The Activities of the Police Lobbying and participating in Propaganda to facilitate our Elected Government into passing this Bill clearly contravenes the principle of a separation of The executive and legislative powers on government.
They have clearly engaged in Political activities… conspiring with Parliament against the Community!
The drive by Police to actively engage in propaganda and the legislative process against the rights of Gun owners shows a contemptuous attitude towards Gun owners… ie is evidence of a Dysfunctional police culture and prejudice… and this same prejudice and contempt is clearly displayed by Members of parliament, on both sides of the house… those politicians who encourage the police to propagate fear, and lobby for heavy handed legislation.
So instead of a separation of powers.. we find Collusion… to defraud the rights of a portion of New Zealand Citizens… Legal and law abiding Gun owners.
This Bill is bad Law founded upon Corrupt practices.
Lets look at very recent examples of when a completely Different view is taken towards gun ownership by governments and Legal authorities with respect to self defense
In March A Judge in America has just struck down Legislation that attempted to ban high capacity Magazines saying that they had legitimate Self defense utility.
US District Judge Roger Benitez cited home invasions where a woman used the extra bullets in her weapon to kill an attacker while in two other cases women without additional ammunition ran out of bullets.
He said “Individual liberty and freedom are not outmoded concepts,”
He declared unconstitutional the law that would have banned possessing any magazines holding more than 10 bullets.
Italy has just passed a Home invasion and self defense law this month that Modifies article 52 of the Italian penal code, which now allows Italians to use “A Legitimately held weapon” to protect themselves and members of their household, making it far less likely individuals will be brought up on charges for defending themselves.
imitating this would be a far more rational response to the Christchurch terror attack.
In November last year Christian Biker Stephen Willeford grabbed his AR semi automatic rife and ran towards shots he could her coming from a church and he faced off against a Terrorist Just like the one who attacked the mosques in Christchurch!
He was able to Drive off the Terrorist who was murdering Christians in their place of worship… Wilfords fire forcing him to call off his attack and retreated to his vehicle… The gunman would be found shot on the side of the highway!
And for my final example I want to give you an example when AR Rifles were legitimately used by Private citizens to defend their own Livelihoods, Liberty, and property from the tyrannical actions and intentions of a Modern day Western democracy under leftist Liberal administration… proving that Citizens need such arms to defend themselves from Modern day Socialism in a country very much like our own!
How many of you are familiar with recent events in Nevada USA,,, and the Bundy Ranch?
Go do some homework people… yet be careful where you get your information!
The Bundy Family are Ranchers of who have Leased land off the State of Nevada for many generations and yet the Federal Government has been using very tyrannical means forcing Ranchers off these land… laying unbearable Tax bills upon them, and using the Federal ‘Environmental and Parks’ Bureaucracy ‘The bureau of Land Management’ (BLM) to try and forcefully evict The Bundys off their local state Leasehold land.
Now the BLM are not just smokey the Bear Park rangers, but a fully militarized force with Humvee’s and snipers!
And at the orders of Obama’s Administration The BLM turned up to steal The Bubdy’s cattle and they killed a whole bunch and they assaulted some of the protesters who had gathered at the ranch in support of the family… anyway News got out about what was going on and Supporters came from far and wide… and they brought their Ar Semi Autos and spontaneously formed a Militia… and they proceeded to face off the BLM Arms vs arms!
This event must rank as one of the greatest moments in modern US History!
That most people dont even know about these Epic events just proves how mainstream media is absolutely failing in its duty as the vanguard of freedom!
Anyway The Bundys and their supporters were able to force the ARMY of the BLM … and all the covert opps Black Utes… to Stand down… and leave!
The Bundys were left on their property and with their cattle!
Later The federal government would attempt other means by which to destroy the Bundys… They Ambushed, and Murdered one of their most Principled and Patriotic supporters and friend Lavoy Finicum and would via devious means arrest the Bundy men… and attempt to frame them in court… not once… but twice!
Both times the Court found that the Bundy’s were Upright men and acted in full accord with their rights in defense of their property against state agencies that were acting in a corrupt and unlawful way!
The Bundys were acting within their constitutional Rights to Bear Arms… AR 15s… in their own defense against a Tyrannical Government Agency… The BLM Had they not done so The BLM would have taken Their cattle and destroyed their Lives.
The last judgement acquitting the Bundy’s *with prejudice* … a term that not only means they can never again be tried for the same reason… but also indicates how contemptible the court found the activities of the Federal prosecution!
Go study these things… Go to the Bundy’s themselves and see how they are just an all American cowboy family and how their story is an absolute vindication of the second amendment and the need for citizens to have AR semi automatics… and their *Legal right* to point these ARs at Government agents who are acting in an unjust and tyrannical manor… breaking the Law!
Yes Modern day Democratic Governments just like ours can… and do behave like criminals!
And we are seeing this behavior right now in New Zealand since the Christchurch atrocity… Squads of Police are at this very moment Trawling facebook and the internet and when they find any gun owner has commented on a Group that has been ‘flagged’… etc they are rolling around to these Law abiding citizens and gun owners and demanding to see their gun safes… and are threatening them with Gun confiscations… and trying to start altercations as pretense to seize arms of these innocent Citizens for the crime of making a comment on a facebook Page Jacina Arden does not like!
Where will this end?
It will end precisely like Venezuela! Where The Government confiscated guns of anyone associated with the public protest against the Corrupt Socialist Tyrant government and so the only people in Venezuela who legally own guns today are the supporters of the Evil regime!
And today Venezuela is in its death trows of Tyranny, oppression, starvation, mass exodus, Death squads, an absolute Hell on earth… and this was the wealthiest nation in Latin America just a few decades ago.
So only Fools cannot apprehend the truth that such a horrific future could happen here!
Time prevents me from continuing my exposition on the vital importance of the lawful right to bear arms for self defense.
In closing the greatest threat to the safety and happiness of our great country and any other does not come in the form of Terrorists or criminals… or even from dangerous foreign powers… The greatest threat comes from social moral degeneration capitalised upon by Oppressive government that run Heavily Burdensome Police states… in the name of public safety.
Thus because it is a great delusion to believe the promises of Politicians like Jacinda Ardern that her Party State will keep us Safe from Terrorists and dangerous criminals I oppose this Bill and instead recommend Parliament remove the police from the administration of Firearms legislation (management of the Arms Act) and prohibit them from interfering in politics… in accord with the UN Recommendation of Policing in a Democracy restoring the vital separation of Executive power from the legislative powers of our democratic system, and also to frame and enact legislation that legalizes the Legitimacy of Self defense to be valid reason to seek to obtain and hold a New Zealand fire arms licence and firearms including semi automatics allowing those who prove themselves competent and mentally fit to own AR’s and Pump action shotguns for self defense, in their homes, workplaces, businesses, and places of worship and recreation.
“Ask yourself: If that was Denver, Col., if that was Texas, would those guys have been able to spend hours, days, shooting people randomly?” Noble said, referring to states with pro-gun traditions. “What I’m saying is it makes police around the world question their views on gun control. It makes citizens question their views on gun control. You have to ask yourself, ‘Is an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past with an evolving threat of terrorism?’ This is something that has to be discussed.”
“For me it’s a profound question,” he continued. “People are quick to say ‘gun control, people shouldn’t be armed,’ etc., etc. I think they have to ask themselves: ‘Where would you have wanted to be? In a city where there was gun control and no citizens armed if you’re in a Westgate mall, or in a place like Denver or Texas?'”
The New Conservative party is putting out some exemplary posts in opposition to the whole bill and farcical process by which the government has acted… here.
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The following submission was written in haste and because there was not sufficient time for me to edit and improve it before I posted it to the committee it is not of a quality that I am proud of.
It is what it is, and I hope it will be judged upon the quality of the principles it seeks to defend rather than its composition.
Tim W 4-4-19
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Submission on the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill.
By Tim Wikiriwhi
Hamilton.
To The Committee,
Kai Ora. I think it is important to explain a little about what motivates me to make this submission to provide context for what I am about to say.
This is only necessary because of the prejudiced identity politics practiced by a vast majority of New Zealand’s parliamentarians, who love to associate contrary opinions with ‘Hate groups’ and ‘Extremists’, etc and thereby dismissing their critics without a fair hearing.
1. I am not a Gun fanatic or Right wing racist extremist.
I am an Independent Libertarian Activist and Blogger, formally a member, spokesman, and Parliamentary candidate for the once illustrious, yet now defunct Libertarianz Party.
I now continue my Libertarian activities as an Independent.
Libertarians are *Not* Far Right. Only the Ignorant and malevolent label Libertarians thus.
In Ignorance Socialist Steeped New Zealand treats Libertarians as if they are some sort of Cult, yet in America Libertarianism is embedded in their political history and is rightly associated with a Love of Liberty and maintaining a stance of Eternal vigilance against the expansion of the State, and it’s ever creeping encroachments upon the inalienable rights and liberties of the people.
Libertarians believe in Limited Government, and reject the socialist idea that every social problem has a political solution, instead we believe in self reliance and self responsibility, and voluntary community action.
These are important Ideals and values, and Principles as they set limits to what are the legitimate spheres of operation for any Government leaving a large sphere of Independence, liberty and self responsibility for the people in which the state has no right to encroach.
If it does so, it has crossed the line of legitimate action and is then usurping unjust powers and committing crimes against the Citizens… this what a Good constitution and Bill of Rights is supposed defend the people from…. Bad Oppressive Laws… and Dangerous over-zealous Political powers.
It is truly tragic that these principles are so alien to voting New Zealanders… not so in America.
More on this later….
I am not a Gun owner, nor am I any sort of Gun fanatic, I love BBQ meat yet I dont like killing animals… yet still I have a deep concern about this Bill because of its patent ideological bent, and its dire effects upon the rights and Liberties of New Zealand Citizens.
That is what concerns me.
The government is turning our Nation into a Police State… right before my eyes… this is what concerns me!
I am a father of three… Grandfather of two, and I am greatly concerned about Government encroachments that threaten My Children’s Future liberty and Safety.
Like everyone else I am appalled by the Christchurch Atrocity and yet I believe this Bill will not make our country safer, but will achieve the very opposite thing… make us all less safe from terrorism. It will make our country an even more attractive target.
I have made many submissions over the years on a broad range of Bills from Prostitution law reform, ACC Levies, Constitutional Reviews, and most recently on the question of the entrenchment of the Maori seats.
I have spent years fighting Racial separatism, and advocating One Law for all New Zealanders.
I have been a vocal supporter of New Zealand providing a safe haven for Refugees, and I have promoted religious liberty and tolerance.
I have stood for Parliament many times over the past two decades in the Hamilton West electorate and for City Council, and so I am far from a political Novice.
In all these endevours I have been motivated by, and an advocate for the same Basics principles and values… the defense of rights and liberties of Individuals from Oppressive government and Law.
I am well aware of the political ideas and Current Socialist agenda that is unscrupulously attempting to capitalise from the resent atrocity in Christchurch, to pass this diabolical Bill into law, and other anti-freedom legislation.
2. The deceitful way this Bill is being rushed into law without rigorous Due process and ample time for Public Debate and protest.
I appreciate this opportunity to voice my opinion in written form to this committee on such an important Bill and request the opportunity to also present an Oral submission as well… if indeed Government intends to bother with such normal Formalities and due processes?
Given the absolutely unscrupulous charade that is afoot with regards to pretending this Submissions process is in any way legitimate, the rush by parliament to enact this bill without proper debate, and because they have made it clear that it is a foregone conclusion that this Bill will pass… I suspect there is no time allocated for Oral submissions.
All this renders this public submissions process to be a farce!
Nonetheless… for the record… I make my written submission in protest against this whole travesty of justice.
That the New Zealand public have only been given a week to submit to this committee is nothing short of an attempt to ram through law for which Parliament has no true mandate from the people!
When this current bunch was elected in 2017 there was not a hint that such drastic legislation may be implemented and so there is no way Members of Parliament can say they are representative of their electorates on these Issues and no Doubt if this Bill was was the topic for an election there would be far more Public input that would reveal just how many New Zealanders are opposed to this Bill… This is a significant number of voters, and they have a voice Jacinda Ardern does not want to hear!
The way parliament is ramming this legislation trough, they have acted in a very underhanded manor in only granting one week for public submissions.
Forgive me for thinking that no matter how many Submissions in protest against this Bill make the deadline, or how well reasoned and righteous are the arguments contained therein, that Parliament will barely consider any of them. They will simply throw them in the bin and enact their legislation anyway… rendering this pretense at Public consultation just a Charade.
Dark days have come to New Zealand!, not only regarding the tragedy of the Christchurch Mass Murder, but also the equally atrocious loss of Rights and liberties that is now being imposed upon our beautiful country… in its wake… by our thoughtless and malicious Nanny State Government that has total disregard for the rights and liberties of the people and only care about imposing their will upon us… treating us all like peasants who must be kept under with an Iron hand… without a proper opportunity to voice our protest!
Forgive my temper… yet I vigorously protest that such heavy handed legislation is being rushed into law without *Real* Public consultation or opportunity to mount proper public protest.
We all know that Parliament are seeking to impose their personal prejudices against Gun ownership, and hoping to get away with such a massive abuse of power by speeding this tyranny into law *in the heat of public emotion* with respect to the Christ Church Terror attack.
Using ‘Urgency’ under such Crises take away the rights of the people in such a manor is the tried and true modus opperandi of Tyrants from time immemorial!
Machiavelli himself would be impressed
If the quality of my submission is poor, and rambling, and emotive, I am not to blame!
You are!
This submission had to be written in unreasonable haste due to the Governments purposefully super tight Deadline!
By giving the public only a week to write submissions *they Know* this will seriously reduce the number of Negative submissions made in time.
The information informing the public for submissions on this Bill and deadline has not been sufficiently displayed or advertised, but virtually hidden.
This was yet another patently shady device used by the Government to hinder opposition from having a voice on this bill… and my hastily written submission therefore reflects my anger about all this Machiavellianism!
In rushing through this Bill, the Government has shown contempt for the safeguards of my rights and Liberties, and so I reward them in kind… Contempt for their shameful abuse of power and twisting of the legislative process.
3. The dishonesty which has preceded this Bill and the massive injustices it will commit.
That this legislation is being steamrolled into law… with only pretense to due process is a testament to its vile and underhanded nature!
If this Bill was at all sound and prudent, and truthful… it could withstand a thorough and robust, and ordinary Public process!
Yet those pushing the bill seek to circumvent the people having a proper say… and that Parliament sits in silent accord is frightening!
Only the Uneducated… or the indoctrinated fail to see what skulduggery is at hand… or appreciate what is really at stake… the erosion of Rights… the implementation of a socialist agenda…. and maintaining the sheepish delusion that The more Helpless the State renders us all… the safer we will be!
Propaganda upon Propaganda!
Government Spin doctors and their lackeys in the media talked of 15-16 000 firearms being affected by the new prohibitions, and that any proposed Gun buyback program may cost Taxpayers ‘merely tens of Millions’, yet now that the bill has been tabled, a New Zealand Gun Council tells us this legislation will immediately criminalise 250 thousand Citizens who have committed no crime and that should a buyback program be implemented it is far more likely to cost taxpayers 500 million dollars!
Such Gross and purposefully misleading under-estimates by the government of the scale of those affected and the cost to taxpayers is tantamount to Fraud!
Despite Ardern’s spin that this Bill is ‘just a start’… The Real scale of this Bill shows again she has deceived the people of New Zealand. This bill show Parliament are not making minor adjustments , but Sweeping Gun restrictions of Gigantic magnitude… without opportunity for the public to protest or Rally strong opposition!
This is Far reaching legislation by stealth…. not Open transparency… not how principled Statesmen would act!
Winston Peters admits the Government does not have a clue how much the Buy back will cost, yet he estimates $300 million.
At every point… from start to finish, the intent of those pushing this Bill has been to defraud the Gun owners of New Zealand with absolute disregard for Principles of Justice, due process, or that sanctity of their Rights!
4. The underhanded and prejudiced political agenda of Identity Politics that seeks to oppress Targeted demographics, while absolving the Bigotry of other favoured groups … its racist!
This Bill is founded upon very skewed rationale (that the more defenseless well all are… the safer we will all be), and is accompanied with a policy of Censorship, and Unscrupulous Heavy handed agenda driven Police activity that is turning into a wave of oppression destroying lives!
The Christchurch Terror attack has given the Left the only pretext they need to bring the heavy hand of the law against minorities they themselves hate… ie anyone who disagrees with the Governments liberal immigration and refugee policies, or is critical of Islam, or who even voices disgust when Islamic terrorists commit atrocities.
We are told that ‘Hate speech laws’ are soon to follow.
All these curtailments on Freedom and despite all the posturing and Head scarves… this agenda has virtually nothing to do with the Christchurch attack… and everything to do with the Anti-Gun Liberal Ideology of our Celebrity PM and her minions!
Its implementing by stealth The UN Global Agenda… and that is why we see universal cross party consensus on this matter and Arden is having a smooth path to enacting this Bill by Politicians who despise the Principles that underpin the American Constitution.
The Late US Attorney Mark K. Benenson, Once General secretary and chairman of Amnesty International USA spoke about our type of Conceited and UN agenda driven politicians who…” think of Gun owners as Primitives who need to be brought into the Modern world”.
When asked if he thought this same sort of Gun Controls as this Bill entails will make Society safer he responded with “I think this will make a safer world for tyrannical Governments and a safer world for Criminals who dont give up their Guns”.
5. Breton Tarrant and the Christchurch Terror attack.
This hasty process is not conducive to making Good Law, and cannot avoid great injustices upon Law abiding New Zealanders.
It is yet another example of the same sort of legislative bumbling foolishness that allowed the Radical Racist Maori separatist Tame Iti and his dangerous Radical Green Terrorists who in 2007 were caught training in the Ureweras to escape being convicted of terrorism… *because those anti-terrorist laws were poorly written… and rushed through into law to meet unrealistic deadlines during the same sort of hysterical Hype after 911!
Because of that, Dangerous terrorists caught red handed escaped Justice!
So Obviously by what is happening now with this Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill is that New Zealand Parliament has an incredibly short memory… and infact have learned absolutely nothing from history!
These Geniuses still have not understood the dangers of hastily written, hastily enacted legislation!
Yes…. while Jacinda Ardern is happy to incite the New Zealand people to hystera about *White Nationalists and separatists* she does not want anyone to point out the fact that Racist Bigotry works both ways and that in reality there are far more Maori Nationalists and separatists in this country than their white counterparts and these racist Maori constantly making violent treats against non-Maori New Zealanders and that we have these sorts of people in parliament!
Members of her own government.
Ardern certainly does not want New Zealanders to remember that Maori separatists were caught planning terrorism… with Homegrown New Zealand fanatical Environmentalists, planning terrorism against The people of New Zealand… and Brenton Tarrant The Christchurch Terrorist was an Environmentalist extremist and said so in him Manifesto… the Great replacement.
Where has been Arderns strong talk about New Zealand no longer tolerating the Dangerous Bigotry of Maori separatism?
You see Ardern only sees things the way she wants to interpret them… to justify her own prejudices.
Not only in his manifesto did Tarrant declare himself an ‘Eco fascist’, he also said that while planning his Terror attack, he decided to use Guns rather than other means (like bombs) specifically because he knew that not only would the Media go ape with anti-Gun hysteria, but that also Leftist politicians (like PM Ardern) across the globe would move to pass heavy Gun Prohibitions and that this would then result in more ‘Right vs left’ Conflicts and strife… esp between US 2nd amendment supporters and Liberal anti-second amendment Gun prohibitionists… and he was right!
Ardern and the NZ Chief Censor does not want New Zealanders to contemplate this fact that their proposed Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill is playing into Tarrants hands… and so they banned his manifesto!
Yet Banning the manifesto does nothing to change the facts!
Its just designed to make it harder for people like me to share these facts and wake up the people of New Zealand from their Stupor.
I would have liked to have provided this committee with verbatim quotes from ‘The Great replacement’ here in my submission, yet to do so is to risk arrest!
We pitiable New Zealanders are not supposed to access, read, or share it… and it is not clear that even for the sake of a submission to Government that if I copied and pasted it into this submission that I might still be arrested and jailed!
Contemplate that!
How the hell did New Zealand end up in such a condition of censorship and prohibitions????
Breton Tarrant Laughs from his cell!
And you wonder why I am spitting tacks about Government encroachments of our Rights and liberties!
6.The Right to Self defense from Criminals, Terrorists, and Tyrants.
Now returning to Libertarianism and the Universal principles of justice, there is a subject… a right of which it is virtually forbidden to talk about these days in such Socialist infected societies as our own that worship nanny state.
Though it is an innate right and a principle of Natural justice it is nonetheless *almost illegal* in this country… and something that even the New Zealand gun lobby cowers from asserting… I am of course talking about the right to self defense, and in particular and relevant to this Bill I am talking about the right to bear the means of self defense.. Guns… not only against violent criminals… but also against tyrannical governments that show complete disregard for the rights of the people.
Yes… I am talking about that inalienable human right that is embodied in the American 2nd amendment… and why not only is it right, true, and just… but that also the Christchurch terrorist attack actually exposes the Great lie and delusional rationale of Gun prohibitionists like Jacinda Ardern, and leftist Liberal anti-Gun Socialists across the globe…. and that lie is that Nanny state Law and the Police will keep everybody safe from Criminals and Terrorists and so there is no legitimate need for people to have Guns, or any regard for their own safety as far as self defense is concerned!
Thats right… I am saying the Deaths of 50 innocent people in Christchurch may be to a large degree blamed upon New Zealand’s anti-gun rights laws and attitudes!
Why is it not routine for Mosques and churches to station armed guards for their own defense?
Why do people think that is such a crazy thing to propose… esp in light of what has just taken place!
No no no! *That sort of reasoning… that sort of Conclusion* is the last thing the Government and Police want New Zealanders to arrive at!
So the whole Government propaganda machine has turned the focus away from the most basic facts, and instead made this all about their own agenda to keep the population defenseless and dependent upon the State.
To suggest that New Zealanders are lax about guns is absurd!… Its an absolute Lie!
A large share of Labour Green voting New Zealanders display a childish paranoia about guns thanks to the fact that world war two and the treat of invasion is now long forgotten, and having since been indoctrinated by nanny state into thinking of guns as evil… instead of Life saving and life affirming emblems of security and strength!
One of the chief reasons mass shootings around the globe happen in gun-free zones like the Christchurch Mosques is because coward psychopaths prefer their victims to be defenseless rather than armed and ready to shoot back!
Tarrant traveled extensively… even to Muslim countries like Turkey… observing… plotting… yet decided to carry out his attack here in NZ where the Muslims have been disarmed by the New Zealand Government!
Think about that!
This event was not a awake up call that we have been too lax with Guns… but a wake up call that it is sane to believe you can live like defenseless ducks in a coup with Nanny State looking after us!
Its a wake up call to why the founding fathers of America wrote the second amendment.
7. No second amendment in New Zealand does not mean New Zealanders dont have the right to bear arms!
A friend of mine parroted these naive sentiments… “We in NZ don’t have a 2nd Amendment for gun ownership in the way you are suggesting.
Gun ownership is a privilege not a right allowed under the direction of the government. If the rules change they change we have to comply. Pretending that we are Americans will not work here sorry. We are now have a new law that we will have to comply with whether we like it or not.”.
I had to school him…. “The second amendment does not ‘grant’ a privilege to the American people at the generosity of the US government… what the second amendment does is *Enunciate a natural right that all human beings have* and that is why it tells the government *they shall pass no law that violates this natural human right* .
So that we kiwi dont have a second amendment *does not mean* we dont have the natural right to bear arms… the means of self defense… we do have that right irrespective of what our government thinks or wants.. or compels!
The problem we have is that our backward Nation has no protection of our rights from tyrants and socialists like Ardern… and so we are exposed to the evil of a government that can trample upon our rights… yet that does not make it just… it means we are the victims of oppressive government and evil laws.”
This is precisely what is happening now with is Bill being rushed into law… It would not be possible if we had a constitution that embodied the just principles of the second Amendment.
So I am saying that if New Zealand really wants to be safer… we should stop believing the empty promised of Jacinda Ardern… that her nanny state will keep us safe!
Instead we should instead be recognising New Zealanders rights to look to their own defense!
We should have more respect for the right to self defense… and more respect for Guns and the security they provide!
After what happened in Christchurch, if anyone is likely to be skeptical of Arderns bogus promises to keep them safe it will be immigrants and Muslims!
I would not blame NZ Muslims who witnessed what happened to instead desire the right to provide for their own defense!
The Government may be temporarily stationing Police outside mosques for the time being… until *they* assume the terrorist risk has diminished… and then the cops will pack up their guns and leave!
Yip… at some point the cops will leave mosques and churches absolutely defenseless again… just as they were before the attacks!
This bill does nothing to increase their security… it leaves them absolutely exposed to the next psychopath!
The solution is Obvious!
Everyone… Mosques, churches, everyone should be making provisions for their own security… which would include having armed guards… and better still concealed carry armed worshipers!
This is reality people!
The world is not a daycare center for children!
In this world dangerous. evil people exist, and the government cannot keep us safe.
The Criminals will not hand in their Guns!
Gangs already hold illegal fire arms… Passing more laws will not disarm Criminals who do not obey the law!
We have all read comments in the news by the Mongrel Mob Boss admitting that they have hundreds of Guns and wont be handing them in. So Arderns new Gun regulations will only dis arm the gullibly Law abiding… not the outlaw communities who have always had guns illegally… just another day at the office for them!
They dont even care if they go to jail!
Because The Mob and Black power run most of those too!
8.Legislating a bad and oppressive idea cannot make it just.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a Gun… is a good guy with a Gun!
Rights are not the gifts of Government.
Our Rights are innate to us as Human individuals, and We the people form a government to protect those rights… not to take them away!
The Government are not our masters… but the servants of the people… We dont have our rights by your permission!
It will not matter if all 120 MPs from all sides of the Floor vote for this bill to be made law… This will not make such a law Right, or Just, Or Good, or effective… It will merely render our nation less free and more Police State-like.
No Divine Right King or Parliament can justly circumvent the inalienable rights of Individuals.
Any such decree and Law is corrupt and not morally binding upon any one…
From Time immemorial Political powers have always sort to legitimize their oppression, and it has been the lot of Good Men and woman to Resist… to boldly speak out against tyranny… and unfortunately to suffer persecution and injustice.
May My Children be free of Socialist tyranny!
Perhaps as Nanny State becomes more suffocating and oppressive the people of New Zealand will experience Enlightenment …By God’s grace may a New New Zealand Libertarian Party arise soon!
AND let them establish a limited Government based up the principles of Liberty and Justice that will abolish all the evil and oppressive legislation of Nanny State, and allows the people to take care of their own affairs, and look to their own self defense. Well armed and prepared to confront the next Breton Tarrant.
If We had had such a Love of Liberty and Self defense it is far more likely he would have chosen some other nation to commit his crime.
9. My Final statement.
Thus it is my final word that I vehemently oppose this Bill with all my heart and soul, and strength and might!
I believe it is not only Bad legislation, Unjust, and oppressive, I also believe it is absolutely counter productive to the express purpose of making our country more safe from Terrorism.
Instead I believe *Greater Liberty* with respect to Gun ownership and self defense is not only far more pragmatically logical, but also morally just.
I therefore recommend that the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines, and Parts) Amendment Bill be scrapped, and that instead the government should make legal provisions for New Zealand private Citizens and associations, and businesses to legally look to their own defense and to do so with the requisite lawful use of Fire arms for self defense.
May God have mercy upon the victims of Breton Tarrant.
This submission is written in their honour and memory.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
Libertarian.
Hamilton
New Zealand.
2-4-19
