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The price of freedom is Eternal Vigilance

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Eternal Vigilance is 5 years old. 🙂

According to the meaning of numbers in the Bible, the number 5 symbolises God’s grace, goodness and favour toward mankind.

The name of this blog is from a speech by John Philpot Curran, given in Dublin in 1790.

The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance

said Curran. The shorter form of the original quote is variously attributed to the likes of Wendell Phillips and Thomas Jefferson, but no one really knows who first came up with the exact phrase. Here it is in the Virginia Free Press and Farmers’ Repository, May 2, 1833.

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Sadly, the sentinels on the watch-tower slumbered long ago. We’re still not free, we never have been, and likely never will be. Eternal vigilance is a big ask.

Just as well we’re not commies and we never had a first five-year plan!

So what’s the good news?

One issue close to the hearts of libertarians in general and at least two Eternal Vigilance bloggers is cannabis law reform. I’d like to take this opportunity to review the dramatic progress made towards sane, sensible and just cannabis laws in the last 5 years. Not here in New Zealand (not yet), but in the original land of the free, the United States of America.

That’s 4 states plus the District of Columbia since 5 years ago, 46 more states to go. And an unprecedented number of states will vote on marijuana this fall.

But it’s not all good news.

For example, in Colorado, fatalities and injuries on the road attributed to DUI dropped after legalisation but are trending up again. And, although arrests are down, the racial disparity in marijuana-related arrests hasn’t changed.

These things have occurred. And it is a true adage that, “what has happened once, may happen again.”

“When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first.” (NIV)

I wonder and worry about what frightful bureaucracies may supplant cannabis prohibition in New Zealand once it is finally driven out.

Transgenerism and the Feminist Lobby’s relentless drive to Criminalise Christian values.

IMPORTANT NOTE.
The following Blog post is not meant to promote bigotry and hatred towards people who Identify as Transgender, Gay, etc.
They are people with psychological illnesses who are in high danger of suicide, and with this being so it is important that they know that their friends and loved ones care about them.
My Blog post is written to expose the Sexism of Militant *4th wave* feminism and their relentless war against healthy Manliness that has greatly exacerbated and cultivated insane sexism against Men, and encouraged the confusion of vulnerable youths.
4th wave feminists are psychotic Wokesters, distinguishable from classical feminists who righteously fought for equality.
Nothing pleases the Feminists more than Emasculated men wanting to be woman.
Read the following:
“Some studies estimate that 70-80% of all people who express transgender feelings spontaneously lose those feelings over time. Psychosocial adjustment for those who have sexual reassignment surgery is about the same as those who don’t (which is why Johns Hopkins University, one of the most advanced medical facilities in the country, refuses to engage in them).
But the worst part, the most shocking part, is that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20x that of non-transgendered people.”
From >Here

There is a lot of very bad psychology being indoctrinated too… its a minefield.
I would say that if your child claims to be Transgender, that you make sure they feel loved at home… This would be the very most important thing given the risks of suicide.
If my child said they were Gay, that would devastate me, yet I would be sure to let them know that I still loved them… fully.

It is important to appreciate… Moral superiority is no vindication for a poisonous heart. Hate always begets hate, never enlightenment. The Truth needs Love. Read about that >Here.

Now my Blog!…..

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The Death Of Masculinity: Male Millennial Swears He Gets His Period Every Month

The “men” of the millennial generation have tried with all their might to kill off what’s left of masculinity, bringing us man buns, male feminists, gender neutral clothing and a slew of men made in the image of Pajama Boy. But it looks like one 22-year-old university student, George Fellowes, finally put the last nail in the manhood coffin: Fellowes swears he gets his period each month.

According to the BBC, Fellowes claims that he has been getting his period “without bleeding” for three years now. “He says he’s so close to his best friend and flatmate Amber-May Ellis that he gets cramps when she comes on each month.” This pathetic excuse of a man says he has even taken sick days because of his “period.” That he doesn’t have.

Read more (if you must) here

^That above link was posted to a FB forum to which I belong.

As a Bible believing Christian and Libertarian, I have for years opposed the Modern Lefty Feminist movement, which is a patently Sexist movement having subverted what was an originally legitimate lobby for political equality and justice.

The Modern feminist movement opperates on a broad front not only within the political sphere, but also applies heavy pressure in the domain of Culture via it’s onslaught of what is considered ‘politically correct’ views in modern society.

In our ‘Bruce jennings…. woman of the year’ society, the feminists movement that is in reality infested with Man hating Lesbian Gay rights activists… has been pushing to allow ‘transgender boys’ into the School rest rooms for Girls.(and visa versa)
And Western society keeps bending… relenting… to these abdications of Traditional values and Biological realities…. step by step… a slide into what is now know as the Post christian era.

Many Infidels openly revel in this and celebrate it… Their Lust and hatred of Christianity gaining ground… and the retreat of Christian morality thrills them… and many pseudo-Christians whom have abandoned the Bible celebrate with them.
Other Infidels… who still retain some of the morality and values they imbibed from their Christian heritage are as shocked as many Bible believers are at this slide into moral chaos… yet as they have no anchor… they have unwittingly contributed to this decline by their own participation in undermining the ideological foundations upon which their own morality and values stand.
As Niche said… By Killing God… they have killed themselves… yet the truth of this has not yet reached their ears.

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^ see this pic… now you may be forgiven for shuddering…. at assuming this is a Man in a woman’s restroom.
Predatory Men have already started using new transgender legislation that allow men whom ‘identify as woman’ to legally use woman’s only facilities. (remember that transgender is not trans-sexual… ie the transgender individual has not undergone a sex change but retains their original bits and pieces… they just ‘Identify’ themselves as the opposite sex)
Yet in fact this picture is *of a transgender woman!* who is attempting to shock her community into granting permission to local transgender woman to use *Mens facilities*
How do you feel about that Guys?
Liberal Legislators expect *You to be cool about it*… likewise Mothers are supposed to be cool about transgender men using the same restrooms as their Daughters. (see picture below)

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The Slide away from Christian values means that instead of seeing these confused people as suffering mental illness… psychological problems … Feminists and Anti-Christian Liberals expect society to accept *This utter confusion*… for it to be normalised and embraced.

Notice how *minority disease* is declared to be normal, and the mentally and biologically healthy majority whom recognise that there is definitely something wrong with these people… are said to be bigoted and need to modify their beliefs… and have their natural fears and inclinations suppressed… by force of law if necessary.

Notice how the natural order is expected to give way to the disorder.
Notice how this stuff is headlining in the media
Notice how Christians are expected to shut up about it… and even modify their religion to accommodate this new politically correct social paradigm.

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Where is all this heading? The Bible knows.
The Bible has declared it.

I seek to speak to you unbelievers and show you that not only has your unbelief let loose chaos and the end of civil order, but that your atheism itself is a great error…. that the Bible ought to be believed.

The Bible predicted this great Post Christian slide into apostasy and unbelief.
The Bible predicted that Mankind would degenerate into wickedness and become ‘as Sodom and Gomorrah’… and this slide is precisely what we are witnessing via the outworkings of Militant Lefty Feminism and the emasculation of Men.
We are witnessing an unprecedented Uprising and aggrandizement of Homosexuality and Sexual deviancy… The Vessel of mankinds wickedness and rebellion against God is being filled to overflowing.
Good is being called evil… and evil… is being hailed as good.

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“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”
Jesus Christ Luke 17vs 26-29

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Gen 6vs5

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
Jude 1:7

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Read about the link between Homosexuality and Rabid haterd of Christianity here > David Bowie… stepping through the door… Fags, Fanatics,Freedom and Fate.

Today… it has become ‘unacceptable* to suggest that people like Bruce jennings suffer some sort of psychological disorder.
Today… pseudo-scientific Evolutionary psychologists deny any social environmental factors or personal choices have anything to do these sorts of identity crisis but instead insist them to be absolutely natural… a consequence of genetics… and that even Pedophilia is not something immoral… or criminal… but something natural for which Child rapists should not be held criminally responsible.
*You see in this post Christian era… materialism denies free will morality exists….*

Yet of course this theory is only applied in an ad hoc fashion.
*Hetero sexual Men* are said to be sexual predators… rapists by genetics… *Yet they alone* are expected to be controlled by society via systematic emasculation.
*Heterosexual Men* are supposed to be apologetic for being Many men who seek to have sex with Beautiful Feminine woman.
They are expected to look at their views on sexuality as being perverse indoctrination’s of the masochistic oppressive era of Christianity.
They… and any Woman who supports manly heterosexual Men and traditional woman’s femininity and Nuclear family values are the Homophobes.
Woman whom believe in their traditional roll and enjoy it are considered traitors to their sex.
Instead of being considered Liberated and strong… Woman whom exploit their own Beauty are told they are the slaves of Masochistic Paternalism.

Read about that here> Babes and Ball Crushers.

Is it any wonder that under such mass delusion that heterosexual Marriage as an institution is collapsing as the foundation of western society?
Is it any wonder that so many children are now raised in single parent situations… devoid of Fatherly influence?

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The media itself is held to ransom by Fanatical militant feminism.
If anyone should make the mistake of uttering some political incorrect joke, even the High and mighty in Sport, Business, and Politics are pilloried … tared and feathered… by rioting Fat ugly woman, Effeminate men with Pink hair, and Skinny bearded bespectacled Hypsters.
Everyone is terrified of this frenzied rabble to the point that almost no one defends the traditional view of Men as Head of the house… As Healthy when he seeks a beautiful feminine woman whom enjoys being dominated in the bedroom.
A Man asking a beautiful woman on a date is said to be ‘a sexual predator’.

Most consider it Political expedience to go along with this subversive attack on Christian values and to at least in public appear to embrace this new world which not merely tolerates… but normalizes the mental illness of Transgenderism… and imposes it upon those who seek to maintain traditional Christian values ( Forcing Christian Bakers to Bake Homosexual wedding cakes…which is no different for forcing Jewish bakers to bake Nazi wedding cakes)… so that this movement is not about Equal rights, or religious liberty *but the systematic destruction* of Christianity.

As a Libertaian, I dont believe the government should have any say in the private affairs and marriage contracts between consenting adults, yet as long as they do, I supported equal rights for Gays to get married despite many Christians who sought to confound this issue and maintain the prohibition of Gay marriage on the basis that they foresaw that once Gays were granted this equality… that they would then seek to impose Gay marriages upon Christians… force them to open their churches to them for their ceremonies… etc.
I had no doubt that such things would eventuate, yet was not prepared to allow this secondary assumption prevent me from supporting the principle of equality before the Law.
This New fight… is something else that needed to be fought independently of the marriage law reform.

You see the difficulty in being a Christian who understands that True Christianity is Libertarian in it’s modus opperandi… and that though I support equal rights before the Law, I retain my right to peacefully live by my own christian convictions and to vocalise my moral views from a soap box in the public square.

And that is at the heart of this entire Blog post.
I am speaking as an individual against the current Anti-Christian tidal flow towards Sodom and Gomorrah… I condemn it on a Ideological basis, and put out a call to resist all legal political compulsions that violate the principles of religious liberty… yet I do not seek to impose my views upon others by force… I do not hate Gays, homosexuals, or woman who act like they have testicles…
I simply desire to be free to live my life as a proudly Many man whom Thanks God for beautiful Feminine woman who love to be man handled in the bedroom… and love having Manly Husbands who teach many things and values to their sons.

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Read about Feminism and the death of Good sex and Romance here> Feminism, Lisa Lewis, and the death of romance.

To the degree that this abandonment of Christian values is a voluntary movement… as a Libertarian Christian I only seek to combat it via preaching my own values and beliefs… via reason and persuasion… never by resisting legitimate reforms or lobbying for laws that impose my personal beliefs upon peaceful people whom choose to reject them… yet I reserve the to protest against any encroachments upon my own religious liberty to follow my own conscience… and preach my values.

Yet Still the march towards Sodom and Gomorrah will continue… there will be seated the AntiChrist.
Satan Laughing spreads his wings.

Just remember you have been forewarned by the Bible that stands sure against the tide… a light in the darkness… the rock on which I stand.

Below is an interesting clip…
Most days This dizzy Blonde gets on her knees for Donald Trump yet on this occasion her Rightism is right…. The cause is Fanatical Lefty Feminism.

She is clickbait for sure…. yet I posted it because for 2 seconds she touches on thi very serious topic I have been writing about …. The emasculation of western civilization…. and the downward slope to Sodom and Gomorrah…. and the end of the world.
In that hour the Light of Christianity will be all but extinguished (save Gods Remnant minority) and The Sexual insanity that is the rejection of Christian values and Ideals will reach it’s zenith.

It is at that hour… when the wickedness of humanity is full… The Sky will crack open and Christ will appear… bringing wrath and judgement.

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And who’s fault is it if Woman Freak out at see-ing what appears to be a bearded man in their dressing rooms and rest rooms?
It the fault of the Mentally ill person who has dress themselves up and taken male steroids etc to grow a beard…etc!
And there is no way Lesbian Liberals and Fags have any right to lay a guilt trip on healthy and normal people for them being disturbed by the unnatural and perverse behavior of Sexually confused and perverted individuals.
*If these ‘Deranged people’ suffer social alienation because ordinary people dont accept their weird behavior… then they must get used to it as the price they must pay.
They have no right to insist people accept them as normal.
As a Libertarian, I dont have any issue with Drag queens, etc hanging out together… no problem with Gay bars or what ever as long as I am free to maintain my own beliefs… to separate myself from their activities… and not be compelled by law to do anything that goes against my own conscience.

If I owned a shop, though I am a christian, I would have no problem serving transgender customers.
My beliefs dont demand I treat anyone who disagrees with my beliefs with anything other than respect
That some Christians think they are obliged to reject sinners and infidels… for example not bake a Gay wedding cake… I find very unchristian… yet I respect their right to follow their own conscience …

God does not hate Fags.
God hates sin, yet he sent Christ to pay the penalty of sin so that he could show all us sinners mercy and forgiveness to whosoever calls upon Christs Name.
It is the Devil who seeks to deceive homosexuals into thinking God hates them… and to Hate God and reject Christ. Homosexuals are no worse than Carnal Heterosexuals which perverse fetishes, and the desire to fornicate or commit adultery.
Most human beings have sexual desires they dont like keeping in subjection to Gods order.

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Lasciviousness
Unbridled sensuality; excess.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, LASCIVIOUSNESS. ( Galatians 5:17-19 )
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I am not a Good Christian.

Read about my own struggles here> Thorns in the Flesh.

I dont profess to being sexually ‘Holy’ or any more self righteous than any one else… in fact I take great care not to pretend to be a saint or make any promises to God that i will be a good boy.

I will finish this blogpost with an unashamed declaration of defiance!
Not against God’s expressed order… though it condemns many things I take pleasure in… But defiance against the Antichrist Man-hating Feminist tide that is emasculating Men and leading western civilisation to Damnation.

Though I am shamefully carnal and shallow yet I am unashamed of the fact that I believe Men should be Manly and strong and look at woman as Sexually desirable playthings.
That is not my whole description or evaluation of woman, but it is an important one… and I also enjoy being the sexual plaything of woman…. so there is a reciprocal equality… a compatible unification of different beings… the nut and the bolt… the hand in the glove… nothing to be ashamed of…. everything to be enjoyed… and it is the rightful order… the way the Lord designed things… and it matters not that so many of you *hate* to contemplate the truthfulness of this.
I will leave you to stew on all this with 2 flagrantly Pro-Heterosexual music Videos that Glorify Sexy Woman.
Praise the Lord!

Tim Wikiriwhi.
Christian Libertarian.
1611 king james Bible believer.
Dispensationalist.

Update: It’s already happening….

Creepy Man Undresses in Women’s Locker Room and Won’t Leave; Blames Gender Identity Law

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May The Good Lord’s mercy be upon her. May he protect her and lead her to the knowledge of the Gospel truth and the salvation that is in Christ.

Remembering Scott. 2 years on. Please donate to Child Cancer Charities and Research.

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A few minutes ago, marked 2 years since this Heroic young man Won his Battle against Cancer.
I say he *won* because he lived life like a champ right to the very end… and kept his soul free of bitterness.
So many of us live longer… but not better.
Ultimately Life is not about how Rich or Famous you become… how cool the bike is that you ride, etc but how you play the cards that you have been dealt… and Scott played his hand like a master of the Game….with supreme courage and grace.
It was inspirational to witness his strength of character…. his determination to enjoy life… and to value his family and friends.
He was an Ambassador and spokesman for plight of Children and young people with medical afflictions, we all must remember him and contribute generously to Charities that are there fighting the fight for us.
Scott is one person definitely on my Hero list, and a person I will enjoy talking to when I have passed over into the Kingdom of our gracious and loving Heavenly Father.
Death is not the end.
Tim Wikiriwhi.
New Zealand.

Read my Tribute to Scott Here

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More from Tim…

The hope which is In Christ. Terrible grief shall be turned into great joy!
Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Never Happy Again

Lane Goodwin takes flight.

‘Brave Boy’ Chace Topperwien.

Car Crash.

How can a Good God exist when there is so much evil in the world? (part1) Atheist Nihilism.

The Gospel of God’s Grace.

The Rock of Divine Revelation.

Christ’s work of Salvation on the Cross… The Great Equaliser.

Hell is for the Self Righteous, Heaven is for Sinners.

A High Calling.

Hurling stones…Moral superiority is no vindication for a poisonous heart. Hate always begets hate, never enlightenment. The Truth needs Love.

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^ The stoning of Stephen… Ironically Saul would become St Paul the Greatest Apostle and chosen vessel of God to preach Grace unto humanity… ending Moral legalism. After meeting Christ and receiving his commission he never again picked up the stones. He said “If it be possible… as much as lieth in you live peaceably with all men”.
Among other principles … including the love of God towards all men *as individuals*, and their equality he laid down the principles that would one day give birth to Libertarianism and the concepts of God given inalienable rights of individuals…. yet my post is only indirectly about this.

Todays blog post is on a subject that has been fermenting in my mind for many years, and it is written just as much to myself as to others.
It has to do with my personal development as a human being… a growth in personal wisdom and character., and most importantly it is aimed at making me a more effective soldier in the battle of Ideas.
My life over the last 20 years has been in Flux…. High Highs and low lows… and via the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune I have battled forth …. Flailing my sword about driven by emotion as much as reason…. And emulating others as much as blazing my own trail… and this has had as many disadvantages as advantages.
Not only have I learned Good habits, but also very bad ones, and todays post is about understanding all this better, and attempting to up my game… and become a better person in the process.
It wont be easy… as not only does it involve breaking entrenched habits that have become natural to me but also provide me with a certain amount of pleasure… and on top of that it involves reinventing my own Self-image of who I am… loosing some vices that I have mistaken as virtues and as such given me self esteem when I should have felt shame… and yet if I succeed in this I will start to see the virtues of character traits I have held to be vices… and I expect to generate a new basis for self esteem… via improved character and more effectiveness as a crusader for Truth, justice, and the salvation of individuals.
Big claims huh! :-)… yet definitely worthy of contemplation.

Lets get into it …
In these times of Terror and barbarity, it is commonplace to find the so-called lovers of Liberty to be openly pouring out hatred upon Muslims because of their concepts of Sharia Law, Jihad, intolerance, and brutality and so that even their most benign activities receive the most vehement responses.

You can be sure that at any mention of Islam that within minutes Self Righteous people seeking to promote terror and hate will post un-moderated pictures and accounts of atrocities that are supposed to foster and vindicate their outrage and hatred towards Muslims.
This is particularly noticeable in the attitudes of the disciples of that most militant of atheists… Ayn Rand… who collectively go by the name of ‘Objectivists’… yet also is common place rationale among other Non-Muslims… Jews, Hindus… and tragically… among the majority of those who go by the name of Christian.
What bothers me is that this negativity and outrage…. While at face value appears both Natural and justified… it does little towards actually saving the world, but plays into the hands of the terrorists and haters.
It is great at stirring up support for closing boarders to the Displaced, and Sending in the stealth Bombers…. Yet we have all herd the motto that while military action can be essential and justified… that wars are ultimately won in *battlefield of the minds of humanity.*
That forced peace due to military might is always short lived… with the evil still fermenting *as hatred*… just under the surface… just waiting for fresh opportunity to boil over again.
What I am about to say is not only worth contemplating in regards to ultimately winning the ideological war against Islamic extremism, but I believe is valuable in all aspects of the winning support for truth and enlightenment.
Here is an example of the problem as I see it…

Recently I came across some Objectivist Atheists engaged in their favorite past time of slinging shit at Islam… under the pretense that this was Righteous Indignation against an insidious Evil… yet for the record this conversation could just as well have been found coming from Christian supporters of Donald Trump.
A school was having a “Try the Hijab Day”…. followed by the comment ‘Why not have a “Try a Nazi Uniform day” also?’.

Sure enough the following comment and picture was solicited…
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“Well done XXXX XXXXXX. What a great man you are. Islamic sadism is a terrible thing. Murderous attacks on innocent female victims including even infants are not just the action of a lone wolf or even of the multiple “lone wolves” involved. .There is an appalling mindset inculcated and encouraged from birth, so embedded and reinforced that not even one individual does anything to deter the horrific violence against the powerless. In civilised communities public entertainment comes in the form of sporting contests, musical entertainment and events uplifting for families. In savage anti-humanity societies public entertainment is a large hate-filled crowd of males exulting in the worst imaginable brutality.”

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^^^That escalated quickly! … yet is typical.
The post went from an inter-cultural school lesson designed to ‘de-alienate children into an attempt to subvert them into accepting… maybe even committing atrocities!

Of course the terrible deeds committed in the name of Islam should generate indignation and elicit vocal responses, yet identifying problems and evils is at best only the beginning of the solution… and I believe that too many people allow *the problem* to cloud their better judgment and actually turn them into just another part of the problem rather than taking the higher road that leads the world out of darkness.
Terrorism and brutality ferment reciprocal hatred…. an unqualified blind type of hatred that is quick to pass a sentence of collective guilt upon an entire demographic because of the activities of a few.
Those drawn into this mindset mistake bigotry for righteous outrage and this is exactly what the terrorists, and hate groups feed upon.
This sort of reciprocity highlights the dilemma of being a Libertarian who hopes to create a better world.

As a Christian Libertarian I myself believe Islam to be a dangerous false religion,and am not at all surprised by the horrors that are being committed in it’s name, yet in the same token I also know that Atheism is also a dangerous false religion and that it too is responsible for infinite evils.
I also know that many so-called Christians are vile Statists… that they too support political oppression, and I respect the right of people to express their views, and criticize others.
Yet as a Libertarian I know not to be suckered into bogus collectivist mentality that underpins Bigotry.
While exercising my right to express my views, and fulfilling my duty to God to defend the faith,
I dont say *All Muslims* *All Atheists* are ‘Blar’ ‘Blar’… I try to avoid promoting bigotry.
With regards to Islamiphobia, it is sometimes too easy to post horrible pictures of victims of various hate groups… without clarifications… this is usually done *to promote bigotry… to illicit support for nasty prejudices*… and that is why It is very hard to be a Good Libertarian…. Speaking out against bigotry ,yet without underplaying the veracity of legitimate concerns .
And here I get to the crux of my argument for this post… the point in which I seek to improve my own game…
I believe this ‘essential balance’ between boldly facing heinous truths, yet not falling into bigotry can only be done by the sincere of heart who are prepared to look at both sides of any contentions… and to be found to be discussing things as objectively as possible… and that is never achieved by over-generalizations… and furthermore by looking not only at the truthfulness of contentious issues, but just as essentially *at the heart motive* of both ourselves… and of the Diatribes we encounter.
It is only if we maintain a clean heart… free of Rancor… motivated by Love…with our eyes on the prize … that we can be effective evangelists of enlightenment.
I am not saying I have mastered these arts.
In fact I am sure I haven’t… yet I am aware of the ‘Bad habit’ and base ‘pleasure’ that comes from opening up cans of malice upon the objects of our scorn.
I try to reserve that sort of ‘disregard’ for those whom I believe truly embody willful Evil… those whom have no desire to see their own wickedness… but revel in it… yet still you cant expect pouring out indignation to win anyone for truth!
It is in this sense an admission of frustration and defeat.
It is a sad truth that *some people*… many people are beyond reason… even those who claim to be champions of it!
The human factor is always at work… the bible says “the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.”, and again “That this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world but that men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.”
The problem with dishing out Evil for evil is that while it is relatively easy to identify evil values and beliefs, and to take some sort of pleasure from the idea that we are morally superior, yet after this what do we do with our knowledge?
Do we allow it to ferment hatred and justify aggression, justify building walls from which we throw righteous stones? (its amazing who condemns the stoning of sinners in the old testament yet who support their governments doing the same thing and worse… to foreigners with foreign beliefs)
Or do we try and overcome ideological evils via the higher path… via enlightened values… reason and example?

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Do we even care about those people lost in darkness enough to open up and maintain dialogues, or do we write them off as wicked reprobates and stamp their foreheads with ‘Child of Satan’?
I believe that if the world is going to become more free and civil requires not just military supremacy, but Victories of enlightenment and good will to triumph over Darkness and reciprocal malevolence… and this can only be done by ‘Lovers’ not ‘haters’.
Our societies must not only truly embody Libertarian justice and equality, but also the spirit of benevolence towards ‘the lost’, and a desire to ‘win’ them over in their hearts and minds…. And these are ‘Christian humanitarian values towards the lost’ and why Christianity is one of the few ideologies with the power to overcome savagery, Crime, evil superstitions, and bigotry.
I am not simply saying that Christianity practiced well is both truthful and righteous… which it is… but that everybody… non-Christians as well can learn valuable insights into how to stimulate the growth of civilization… how to bring light and peace into areas of Darkness and Barbarism.
I also say that these truths expose Rancid ideologies that pose as Reason and enlightenment yet are in fact hotbeds of bigotry and hate… and that despite their self-acclamation as being the champions of humanity and social progress… are actually a big part of the problem!
They are almost as backward and deranged as the evils they profess to be the vanguard against.

Thus we must take care how we wield our Ideological swords.
Too often the ‘Superiority complex’ is used as justification for Hatred, bigotry, and pouring out Guile…. which only exacerbates the troubles and further alienates those who we should be trying to lead up the higher path.
And This is why the *heart motive* behind what we write and say determines the ‘Spirit’ of actions and the success or failure in respect to the war of ideas.
For sure Tirades that spew forth hot coals upon their chosen targets are ‘successful’ for attracting the applause and fame within other haters yet absolutely fail at bringing more enlightenment into the world.
I think there are times and places to have ‘in house’ pep talks to the troops that may be spoken in strong terms to emphasize the gravity of what is at stake… and the urgency with which they must rally, yet that cant be a summary of your entire modus opperandi!
You need to make it clear the while the evils are vile, and that arms may be needed, not to mistake this as an excuse to become a hater… and that Goodwill towards humanity must always be at the forefront.
If we realize that most people in dark lands believe backward things only do so because they have not been exposed to the truth in a way that they can see as being not only true… but delivered by souls of good will who *want their betterment*… this is far more likely to increase the sum in favour of enlightenment and lead to real victories in the battle of Ideas.
Missionaries are just as essential as Arms in the struggle as ultimately it is only an enlightenment that can overcome Evil ideologies.
And this is basic stuff… because we know that we ourselves are far more likely to respond positively to truths that are presented out of care than out of hate.

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I found this…From someone who actually won over hearts and minds rather than just pouring out scorn… upon those who deserved it.

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Actions speak louder than words

Now look at this pic below posted to an Objectivist FB page, and think about what such cartoons hope to achieve.
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Bf That kind of shit will plug up your pipes in the worst way.
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J M Throw the Bible in there as well to make it even better.
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Tim Wikiriwhi You know XXXXX that I can see the amusement factor in this picture… *yet contemplate this for a moment*… do you think it actually serves to further the cause of Freedom?
Do you think that it will be propitious in convincing Muslims to listen to you… to forsake Islam and embrace your values and ideals?
Dont you understand that this is actually childish and counter productive to your professed desire to enlighten the world?
Dont you see that this merely panders to the Haters… the bigots, those people who dont give a shit about *Saving the muslims*… but seek to insult them and vent hatred upon them?
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I receive a typical response …. And my answer follows
B R said…. “ They will never forsake their values or their ideals. That is not islam. Islam is above any other ideals. To them anyone other than islam is beneath them. You can’t reason with someone who always thinks he is above you. You can bow to their needs. They will never bow to yours. How many women and children have to be raped and murdered for you to see this.”
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My Reply…. “B R.. You have defeated yourself… maybe willfully so…. what you have said is something *You want to believe* rather than something that is empirically true, and you do it to excuse your own lack of reason when dealing with this problem.
You say they are beyond reason when the truth is ‘You cant be bothered trying… and you actually *hate* them… ie you dont have any compassion…. yet you have plenty of spleen that you want to vent.
Your character is such that you cant even be polite to them.
You look down your nose at them.
And you are cowardly.
The idea of befriending a Muslim terrifies you.
Let me tell you that Plenty of Muslims have been converted to Christianity by Christians who *Care enough* to take the trouble, and run the risks.
Christians *see the prize* and believe it’s worth every effort.
Wining lost souls to the truth… to truth that raises savages out of Dark superstitions and brings civilization… and ends Barbarisms…. fosters good will and peaceful co-existence.
Christianity sees Muslims and atheists *as valuable … precious individuals*… not as hopelessly Damned sub-humans.
Now if Objectivism really did value the human individual… really was ‘a movement for civilization’ it would not generate such defeatism , indifference…. Worse absolute hatred towards billions of human beings.
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^^^ So my post looks to be finishing on a condemnation of the philosophy of Objectivism as *Anti-Individualism*
*Anti-Humanity* …. A Wolf in sheeps clothing.
Every virtue it pretends to extol are found to be Hot air…. mere platitudes.
It does not tend towards enlightenment and the value of human individuals and that is why it’s ranks are peopled with egotistical narcissists of malicious minds… and this leads them to promoting very *inhuman solutions* in dealing with the likes of the Victims of Islamic extremism and western foreign policy… solutions completely at variance with the founding principles of Libertarianism… esp with regards to the current Refugee crisis.

No doubt my comments here will not find many Objectivists open enough to see that I am right.
They might even say that I’m practicing ‘hate speech’ against them… that I’m not being PC enough towards them … that by my hardness I am not demonstrating ‘love’ towards them, and so failing on every level to reach *Their hearts and minds*…. Yet even if this were true… would not such an accusation actually vindicate my whole post?
You see that even if I fail to live up to this post myself, it does not diminish its validity… it just exposes my own hypocrisy, and poor character.
Ironically I learned this polemic ‘Militancy’ from my Objectivist mentors!
This is a fact that i now seek to remedy.
It is more characteristic of the Pharisee Saul *Before* he met the risen Christ.
St Paul typifies conversion from the spirit of Moralistic persecution.
His zeal for the truth, is tempered by compassion and humanity,… the true spirit of Evangelism… and he was willing to lay his life down for it.
Nobody has been a more ardent defender of truth against superstition, yet still he used the power of persuasion to win converts… from a loving heart not self righteous malice.

He said “… yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.”

Maybe Paul appreciated the grace God had shown him when he was in the throws of self righteous persecution.
Maybe his compassion comes from being once blind… yet by God’s grace… now he sees… and he knows that without brave preachers of grace and Good will… large swaths of humanity will remain under Satan’s Demonic sway… and be damned.

Realising my own problem… I am hereby seeking to learn better skills of communication… and this is what I meant in my introduction about this post being aimed as much at myself as at others.
Let me again talk about balance. I am not an apologist for ‘Politically Correctness’.
I believe The truth should be ruggedly defended and that content is far more important than grammar and worrying 24/7 about offending petty sensitivities… in fact as a Westy Bogan I simply cant function at that ‘Ivory tower level’… nor do I seek to be a part of that ‘elevated’ world.
I speak as a common man hoping to reach common people using common folk lingo and rationale.
And when talking to the likes of Objectivists you would hope that for all their claims of Rugged rationality that they of all people ought to be able to handle the truth hard spoken… yet again we find their claims to be hot air…. They love to dish it out but cant handle the slightest amount in return… so precious are their sensitivities… so vain are their egos …. They are not just beyond reproach… they are beyond reason.
I await *just one objectivist* to admit that I my post has validity, and that they will try and modify their behavior… to better embody the values their philosophy claims to precipitate.

I wrote a speech 10 years ago for the NZ Libz party, In it I talk about why I believe Objectivism fails to win over hearts and minds… and why Christianity on the other hand changed world history… and it has a lot to do with what I have been trying to talk to you about in this thread.
It is below.
I would like to point out that while I am no fan of PC rubbish, I think it is too easy… too convenient to pull out the ‘PC is evil’ card to justify rancid and obnoxious, and bigoted Tirades that are then expected to be vindicated as ‘Righteous indignation’… and ‘Rugged defense of liberty’ … etc when it is just Guile…

So To all you out there involved in the Battle of Ideas… no matter what color of faith or values you seek to propagate in this world, I hope my post helps you to appreciate that for victory in this ideological Battlefield, that *Heart motive* is just as important as being right.
It is sad to apprehend that sometimes the advocates of Evil understand this truth better than anyone, and that is why many of them *pretend* to care about those people in distress… only to lead them to destruction.
Tim Wikiriwhi
Christian Libertarian.

My Speech >>> Libz 10th birthday speech. Monday, 31 July, 2006 11:23 PM By Tim Wikiriwhi Christian Libertarian.

More From Tim….

The lonely road. My divorce from John Ansell.

A High Calling.

Anti-Terrorism at its finest. The Road out of darkness into the light.

They are out there! Heroic and Virtuous Islamic Granny Schools Murdering Extremists.

Islamic Cleric Against Religious Extremism

What can we do? Socialism’s Tungsten shell, and the refugee crisis

God Bless Angela Merkel, and those Germans whom courageously support her in these times which try Men’s souls.

The Art of Assimilation. Culture shock, Lawlessness, and the challenges facing humanitarian good will

Good Eye Closed. The Powder Keg. The Dead keep washing up on the coasts of Europe.

Not In My Name! Muslims Condemn Isis Terror.

Insidious Evil . When ethics are used as a weapon against you.

IDF Code of Ethics. Fighting a just fight.

The Diabolical tactics of Hamas: What the IDF is up against.

How does the Israeli Defence Force minimize civilian casualties?

“One Day”. The Peace Song of Our Generation. Matisyahu.

You will be next! The power of the terror mongers. When fear dominates reason… evil prevails

The Boston Bombing. Christian Grace and Freedom and the Higher Path.

Watching Buses Bear down… Why bother to Proselytize? Penn Jillette

The Battlefield of the Mind. Eternal Vigilance!

Life’s a Stanley Milgram Experiment. (part1)

Jefferson’s God. The Rock upon which Liberty is founded. (God save us from Atheism!)

Materialism renders Man Nought. Meaning-less, Value-less, Right-less

Protestant Christianity had a Baby… Libertarianism.

Monism: Evolutionary Psychology and the Death of Morality, Reason and Freewill.

We are not Robots Ayn Rand. We are Moral Agents.

Standing up for Justice more important than Personal Ambitions

The World is a Vampire.

Watching Buses Bear down… Why bother to Proselytize? Penn Jillette

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Penn Jillette gets a Bible

"How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that?"Penn Jillette, outspoken atheist and one half of the comedy magician duo Penn & Teller, recorded this video in 2008 recounting the story of how a man gifted him a Bible after one of their Las Vegas shows. It's amazing to see Penn's reaction to the man's gesture as this video shows an inside view of how to evangelize to an atheist. • Subscribe to the NAYC Rumors YouTube channel for more Jesus' name videos! YouTube.com/naycrumors •

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^^^Watch this Clip.

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Happy New Year? Let us Re-commit to the Battles of the Minds, Hearts, and Souls of our fellow humanity.

Hell is for the Self Righteous, Heaven is for Sinners.

A High Calling.

The Gospel of God’s Grace.

The hope which is In Christ. Terrible grief shall be turned into great joy!

Christopher Hitchens Dies.

Nyctophilia: Hiding in the Dark….

The Darkness. Then the Dawn.

The Bible. What is it good for?

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As is his wont, my King James Bible believing Dispensationalist libertarian Christian co-blogger Tim tagged me in his post (of the above image) on Facebook. 🙂

Be sure to get your doctrine from the Bible, not the traditions of man! (Colossians 2:8)

I really do appreciate the pro-tip. It’s just that there’s a whole lotta problems with this instruction. At least one of which renders Tim’s advice utterly useless!

One problem is that the cited verse, Colossians 2:8, does not even mention the Bible.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (KJV)

See! What this verse is really saying is be sure to get your doctrine from Christ, not the traditions of man! I agree! But let’s be clear. There’s no mention at all of the Bible in this verse. And I’ve made it quite clear in previous blog posts what my view is. It is that Jesus is inerrant, but the Bible isn’t. The Word of God is inerrant. His scribes, not so much. Yes, that’s right. I basically equate the Bible with “the traditions of man”. I don’t equate the Bible with Christ. The Bible as we know it hasn’t even been around a couple of thousand years yet. Whereas

In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (DARBY)

Believe it or not, another problem is that the KJV mistranslates this particular verse. And don’t believe it or do, so does the NIV. But of course! 😉

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces[a] of this world rather than on Christ. (NIV)

Which is why I always have recourse to Young’s Literal Translation for times like this when it matters exactly what the Bible says.

See that no one shall be carrying you away as spoil through the philosophy and vain deceit, according to the deliverance of men, according to the rudiments of the world, and not according to Christ (YLT)

It’s clear that “spoiled” is a KJV mistranslation of “spoil”. Yet at least the NIV has the good grace to provide a footnote (see above) to the effect that it has construed “the basic principles” (rudiments) as “the elemental spiritual forces” of this world.

But here’s the fatal flaw with Tim’s advice—be sure to get your doctrine from the Bible, not the traditions of man!—which renders it useless. Which Bible?

Tim’s telling me to be sure to get my doctrine from the Bible, but which one? As we all know, Christians (e.g., Protestants vs. Catholics and Orthodox Christians) can’t even agree on which books belong in the Bible, let alone which translations of the canonical books are themselves canonical.

Which Bible? Tim will, of course, answer the Authorized King James Version of 1611. Which is a fair answer to a fair question. But if I accept this answer, one thing’s for sure. I’m now getting my doctrine from the traditions of man, and from the traditions of one man in particular, viz., my co-blogger Tim Wikiriwhi! And not necessarily from either the true Bible (if, indeed, there even is such a thing) or Christ.

It comes down to this. When all is said and done, we must decide—each of us individually must decide—in what and/or in whom to trust.

I trust in Jesus, the Son of God, whom I know from the first-hand accounts of his ministry by the original gospel authors, from his work in the lives of my brothers and sisters in Christ, from his work in my own life, and from personal encounter.

I trust in the deliverances of my own God-given moral compass when (not often, just occasionally) they conflict with what’s in the Bible.

So the Bible. What’s it good for?

Why, it’s profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works, of course! 🙂

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The Word of God is inerrant. His scribes, not so much.


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Jesus is inerrant, but the Bible isn’t.

Anyone who’s spent any time in serious study of the Bible (or even someone who’s only delved into it intermittently) will have discovered, for themselves, apparent contradictions, of which there are very, very many.

Just for example, Ezekiel 33:11 (and Ezekiel 18:32) and Psalm 37:13 seem rather at odds.

Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’ (NIV)

but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming. (NIV)

How should a Christian respond to such apparent contradictions? It’s not easy maintaining contradictions. Maintaining a contradiction is surely the very essence of cognitive dissonance, and cognitive dissonance is something we all naturally seek to minimise.

Of particular concern are the apparent contradictions in Bible verses about salvation. Is justification through good works or by faith alone? Enquiring minds want to know.

The inerrantist response is to hold that the Bible is inerrant. On the premiss (due to Douglas Stauffer) that

God will preserve His word, and not allow it to pass away.

And then try to explain away the apparent contradictions. All of them. One attempt to do this (with particular emphasis on what the Bible says about salvation) is the doctrine of Dispensationalism due to John Nelson Darby.

Now, I can see that the above premiss has merit and that Dispensationalism is, in some sense, a reasonable response to the apparent contradictions in the Bible.

But doesn’t God operate according to the KISS principle?

“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” (NIV)

Dispensationalism is complicated. Doesn’t God’s fundamental message have to be intelligible to little children and simpletons? Because Dispensationalism isn’t.

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The errantist response is to hold that the Bible is not inerrant. To concede that it’s full of contradictions, some of which cannot be adequately explained away. But that, nonetheless

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (KJV)

and that Jesus’s fundamental message remains intact, which it does.

Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (KJV)

My reason for writing this post is my concern that those who hold that the Bible is inerrant are fooling themselves. In a bad way. Notwithstanding that Douglas Stauffer (already quoted above) tells us that

Satan has reveled in creating doubt concerning the authority of the words of God.

the simple fact is that there is doubt concerning the authority of scripture as it has been handed down to us. Not to acknowledge and to express doubt such as this is to deceive oneself and maybe others too. It’s my considered opinion that those who persist in maintaining that the Bible is inerrant are involved in more convolutions and contortions than David Bain trying to explain his movements on the morning of 20 June 1994, more turns than a sluggard on his bed, more preposterous suspensions of disbelief than an atheist proclaiming that this blog post is an anticipated result of the Big Bang. They’re playing the exegetical version of Twister—the game that ties you up in knots.

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Falling to Pieces …. Thank’s for the music Scott Weiland

RIP Scotty

Now I am going to say some things that will upset some folk… yet It must be said… It keeps getting swept under the carpet… so that the party can carry on.

Though an indisputable Icon of Grunge, Scott was a tragically lost soul…. a Train wreak of a person.

Scott was the same age as me… 48.
His music is an essential part of the soundtrack of my life, yet his death… like so many others is a testament to the fact that he was a follower of unbelievably disastrous values, and yet sadly millions of other lost souls worship these Musical loose wheels… and dance their way down the road to destruction.

Satan laughing spreads his wings.

Rolling Stone Article: Scott Weiland: A Photo History of His Wild Life

Scott Weiland’s tragic story is but one track on a stuck record that keeps repeating…

We could talk about Alice in Chains frontman Layne Stanley, or the miserable fate of Kurt Corbain.> April 5 Sux.

Next week I’ll be going to AC DC… yet sadly Bon Scott wont be singing… he’s on that Highway to hell.

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It does not have to end like this!!!!
On a much more positive note… Many Rockers survive long enough to wake up from their Drunken stupor and see the light.
Alice Cooper… Alice Cooper Goes to Hell. Nek Minnit!

Deep Purples Glenn Hughes > Rock legend and good guy Glenn Hughes pays his respects at Ronnie James Dio 4th year memorial.

Korn’s Brian Welch > Brian Welch: From Korn to Jesus

Ex Metallica/ Megadeth’s Dave Mustiane > Megadeths Dave Mustaine is a Christian.

Wasp’s Blackie Lawless > I came not to bring peace, but a sword

and many more.

I know what I’m talking about because *I was a lost soul on that road myself*
Read my story > Jimi vs Jesus.

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Wake up my friends!
Love music by all means, yet you will not discover the road that leads to life until you free yourselves from your foolish prejudices which keep your minds closed to the truth.

Beware that love of the Darkness… you think you are free… when you are in fact slaves.

> Nyctophilia: Hiding in the Dark….

What about Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix,John Bonham, Keith Moon,Brian Jones, or Amy Winehouse?
Rehab could not save her.
The list is endless.
How long will Miley Cyrus last?


Scott Weiland LA 1994.

Many of you now are parents… how can you raise your kids yet leave them without direction… without hope?
You cast them out into open waters without a compass.

It does not have to be that way.
Seek and ye shall find!
Dont be fools unto the end.
Teach your Kids the lessons of the Survivors!
Those great and fortunate souls who realised in time that even being among the God’s of Rock is nothing but death without Jesus Christ.

The Bible is wonderfully true to those who learn the Truth in time…. terribly true who learn it too late.

My Testimony > Do you believe you have the Perfect Word of God? Theism vs Humanistic Rationalism. Seeing The Light! My Testimony.

It is my hearts desire to help anyone who seeks answers to their questions… to their perceived critisisms of the Bible, yet only a truly open mind and heart is fit to receive the truth.
Closed minds and hard hearts are beyond reach.

To anyone disturbed by the carnage of Rock and Roll, and it’s effects on their youths… Seek!

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”.
Jesus Christ. John 8vs 32.

more from me>>> Hell is for the Self Righteous, Heaven is for Sinners.

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End note: Of course raising your children with biblical faith does not guarantee they wont wander off out into the world… yet even so they will have that lighthouse back in the distance…
They may have to learn what the lost world is like the hard way… yet like Blackie Lawless… they can return home.

Tim Wikiriwhi
Music lover.
Christian.

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Scott Weiland’s ex-wife has penned a candid, poignant essay on the deceased Stone Temple Pilots singer on behalf of his two children

Update: Rolling stone article > Scott Weiland’s Family: ‘Don’t Glorify This Tragedy’

“December 3rd, 2015 is not the day Scott Weiland died. It is the official day the public will use to mourn him, and it was the last day he could be propped up in front of a microphone for the financial benefit or enjoyment of others. The outpouring of condolences and prayers offered to our children, Noah and Lucy, has been overwhelming, appreciated and even comforting. But the truth is, like so many other kids, they lost their father years ago. What they truly lost on December 3rd was hope.”

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207#ixzz3tnAG1lNh
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Whakatane. Woman Leadership in the Church.

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I belong to a closed Dispensationalist Facebook page, and a question has arisen which I think is worth discussion.
It’s interesting for me on many different levels, esp because though I am an Idealist whom despises compromise in matters of Religion, I am not so hard as to not consider expedience under certain conditions.

Here is the moot…

“Just to get a feel from all the members in here and for personal enrichment. What are your thoughts on women teaching over men in church? Whether it be women pastors, women sunday school teachers with men in the class etc..
On a scale of 1-10. 1 being you would never fellowship with someone who holds to believes women should have authority over men. 10 being we have women in teaching/pastoral roles over men in our church.
I know this is topic often brings about much heated debate, it is not my intention to do so, I simply for my personal knowledge would like to know the temperature of fellow dispensationsalists. Thanks”.

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My answer follows… I would be interested in hearing what my contemporaries have to say on this matter.
I expect the Bible ‘hackers’, feminists, and Antichrists to have a field day!??

Tim says….

In New Zealand before the arrival of the Pakeha, Maori society was both a Class society, and largely Patriarchal… many customs woman had to take a back seat, yet We have a place on the Coast called ‘Whakatane’.
It got it’s name from an incident in which a group of Maori had landed in their Whaka (canoe) and the Men had Gone inland… either hunting or on a war party… and the Canoe started to be swept out to sea.
In Maori culture it was forbidden for woman to paddle, yet in this situation one brave Wahine (woman) cried out “Today I become as a Man! (Tane)” and she rushed out and rescued the canoe.

I think there is something to be learned here.
*When there are no *Real Men* to lead the Church… what can a godly woman do, but step forward ‘and become as a man?
I am carnal, and though I may have wisdom in the word…. I am unfit to lead a congregation… so I do not expect my words to hold any authority… and I submit to you that a Righteous Woman would be *more fit* to lead than I…. yet this situation is not ideal… but a matter of expedience.
Also I would liken this rule to Laws against working on the Sabbath.
‘Will not you rescue your Bullock from the ditch on a Saturday?
Laws are made for Man… not man… for the Laws.
So while in principle I would suggest the correct answer should be about a 3 (after all we always need to have some grace)…. in reality… I think I will give this a 5… esp due to the sorry state of the church… I have no doubt there are woman who are superior to men and that by God’s grace they ought to do what their conscience dictates.

Tim Wikiriwhi.
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